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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so is it true Cox

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makai that the bumper from our friend

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Chris rutkowski channeling Emperor Ming

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the max ital version not the Charles

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Middleton version is the absolute best

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the para cast bumper ever rocks

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well many bumpers over the years and I

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would definitely say I think it was the

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longest in fact I was just expecting you

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to cut him off because it was going on

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too long but he did manage to reign

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himself in a bit but yeah that's it's

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got to be in the top three anyway there

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is a photo in the para cast forums that

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formed out the para cast calm where

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Chris is portraying and perming in a

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radio play but he's wearing the outfit

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where did he get the outfit from I don't

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know maybe from a costume rental or

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something like that but understand here

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we're dealing with two types of Emperor

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Ming we have the original and I still

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think the best was a character actor

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named Charles Middleton in the Flash

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Gordon movie serials from the 1930s I

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expect you can find him somewhere and

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the production value is very primitive

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what's the 1930s and Flash Gordon of

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course was played by Buster Crabbe if

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anyone remembers or cares then there was

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a remake and I think the guy who played

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Flash Gordon was Sam Jones and the theme

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music came from Queen and David Bowie

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mm-hmm so that's all the trivia we need

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well the original those Flash Gordon

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serials of course are available on DVD I

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have a collection of them with the

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Middleton Ming yeah max fahncy dahnce

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Ming in the Sam Jones version was was

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pretty good too you know what

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I prefer those old black and white ones

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because they totally had the feel of

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remember the Rocket Man sure uh-huh

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we got the guy he just had like a rocket

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pack on his back and he would fly about

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the sky and the controls were on his

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belt buckle it

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had the same feel as as that and I love

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that as a kid without the Ovie that

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introduced the rocket man was king of

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the rocket men as from Republic Pictures

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in the late 40s and that was the

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predecessor to commando Cody who also

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wore that rocket suit but the spaceships

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they used employed the same special

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effects that universal use for the Flash

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Gordon serials Oh with the rocket on a

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string and the Barkers coming out of the

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back yes love it

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you know I am I yeah disbelief was

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certainly suspended and I just got right

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into it obviously as a kid you do it to

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pick apart the faults with special

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effects so much but it just had an

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atmosphere that I really liked I even

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like the era of the first superman

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serials TV serials with that guy George

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something was supposed to read yeah

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that's not the first one the original

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serials occurred in the 1940s and the

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actor's name was Kirk Allen the problem

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is here is at Columbia Pictures use such

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a low budget that didn't actually show

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flying scenes they simply made a cartoon

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of Superman flying and really look bad I

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could imagine a woman who played what

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was laying in no serials no O'Neill

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later took on the role for the TV series

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with George Reeves

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I think the flying scenes were hit or

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miss but remember in those days there

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were no production values for shows like

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that the budgets are very low but before

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we go on if you want to look at good

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flying scenes rent a copy of The

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Adventures of Captain Marvel from 1941

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starring Tom Tyler as Captain Marvel and

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there you'll see some pretty good flying

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scenes I mean they were done with models

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in addition to having him on a wire but

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a lot of that technology was not

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exceeded in flying scenes until Superman

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in the movie in 1978 yeah and remember

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how spectacular that was when that first

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came out because no one had done the

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flying stuff that good I mean just

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having him on the cables like now you

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know the younger people they go big deal

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you know people do that in high school

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plays now but back then when they were

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using that crane to lift

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lower Christopher Reeve and it was like

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wow this is the most realistic Superman

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we've ever seen and I mean that was

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something that 78 movie that was

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something when it came out you know what

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Walter I remember actually when Superman

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came out there were TV pilgrims and

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under news over here the UK and one of

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their liked stories would be how did

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they make Superman fly in the movie but

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you know people were talking about so

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much there was even you know that would

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be a news item on its own how did they

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make him fly and they would always like

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leave it for the end of the show to like

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keep you know the cliffhanger and yeah

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people really freaked out about it

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because it was create for the time a bit

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like Star Wars it was just so great for

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the time and those were the days still

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when you guys probably remember this I

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remember when I went to see Superman the

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movie in 78 I got a program I mean I

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guess like a full-color it was like a 10

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page program about the movie and I mean

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they would hand things out like that in

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those days and but I think one of the

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appeals Jean about the reason why we

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appreciate the 30 cereal more in Flash

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Gordon more than say thee and don't get

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me wrong I enjoy the hell out of the the

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1980 Flash Gordon with Sam Jones it it

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has its own appeal and its own charms

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but the reason we still prefer those

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cereals is the same reason if you're

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really into independent film what it is

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if you're appreciating the effort the

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Sam Jones Max von Sydow 1980 Flash

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Gordon it was a bit I mean it was for

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fun and it but it was much more

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tongue-in-cheek than those serials you

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know they were Believe It or Not when

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you watch those I mean they're playing

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those serials more straight than the

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1980 with the big colorful budget and

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that's the point right there they were

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played straight now if you're looking at

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the old movie serials like the Republic

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serials radar men from the moon yes the

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villain is play release one of the

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villains is played by Leonard Nimoy

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oh yes true I have a user well that DVD

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on a long time I need to check that out

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here's a question do you guys knew who

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invented the green screen

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affect special effects and when did it

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start which year did that first come out

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in the movies you know well the green

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was the advance version of a blue screen

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do you mean when did they start doing

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like the color screen yeah I my

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understanding is the blue screen had

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started by this the 1970s the Superman

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Star Wars era yeah now this point out

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here folks if you're wondering what's

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going on we have Walter Bosley we have

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GOx Makai Chris has been a little bit

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late this week he'll be by later so

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we're talking over a lot of things we're

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in pop culture mode now but we'll get

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into other subjects that just breakaway

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civilizations very shortly but I can't

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give this up now if you want to see some

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pretty good flying scenes by the way the

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thing I noticed here between Superman

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he took off it was like gradual he

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gradually Rises into the sky but when

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you had Superman and Man of Steel he

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soared and you heard this sonic booms

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yes similar philosophy is shown if you

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see the leaked pilot for the CBS series

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Supergirl again I think the flying

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scenes there are just about as good as

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the movie and we're talking about a TV

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show don't know if you've seen it not

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yet not yet

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oh yeah definitely check that out do

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potato sending that's a modern film of

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course but it had great flying scenes

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just in terms of you know going from

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somebody on the ground deathly an actor

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in like real film and then tonight it

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was very seamless into the CGI in the

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who's the guy he was he did Channing

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Tatum yes

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Channing Tatum yeah I saw that one

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you're right those flying sequences were

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pretty decent those are pretty good it's

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you know there's a trend right now guys

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where there are filmmakers that are

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insisting on going back to the what's

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called practical or the physical effects

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and JJ Abrams apparently has done this

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on a big scale with you know the return

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of Star Wars where you know he built a

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life

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sighs Millennium Falcon set in you know

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he's he's where for a while the last 15

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years especially they've been doing this

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all CGI I mean everything they could do

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CGI they would and not with the greatest

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results

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he insisted on actually building the

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physical sets and things and there's

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more filmmakers that even on the smaller

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level are preferring to go back to that

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because you know it may not be exactly

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how real life is but there's something

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about you know even a miniature

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sometimes it's just so much better than

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CGI we have Walter Bosley we have gongs

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Makai Chris O'Brien will be back very

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para cast comm 1 / Bosley does that very

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well oh thank you thank you very much on

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the power of cast this week we have a

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big agenda to talk about we're starting

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with pop culture because I just think we

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have to consider the various subjects

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with which we deal and as they relate to

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pop culture like I've mentioned many

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times in the past for example the davier

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Stood Still not though lousy remake with

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Kenna Reeves but the original with

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Michael Rennie as Klaatu influenced a

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lot of the early contact claims the

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handsome tall alien with a silvery

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uniform comes here to warn the earth of

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its folly of course the difference is

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with the contactees we had to become one

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with the space brothers with Klaatu you

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either get your act together or we

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destroy your planet a fine distinction

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and we're talking of course about movies

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special effects and how possibly doing

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something with miniatures or as

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realistically as possible still has the

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veneer of reality more so than CGI and

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sometimes it's not visible but you get a

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feeling you know you get a feeling that

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something like that is more genuine on

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the other hand CGI has become so

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sophisticated and so much less expensive

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to create a lot of the special effects

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on TV shows are really good they've had

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on the sci-fi channel for example we

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have killjoys and dark matter

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why is everything called dark matter Don

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Ecker needs to be alerted energy yeah

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yeah just I wanted to quickly go back to

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that point about JJ Abrams building a

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full-size Millennium Falcon well knowing

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what I can a Star Wars sci-fi geek there

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he is

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I think he built a full-sized Millennium

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Falcon because he could because he was

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helmed because he loves the originals

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and he would have dreamt about being in

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the real Millennium Falcon when he was a

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kid like I do he saw you know I'm not

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gonna have this drawn on a computer I

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want a full-size one so I can go in it

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as well besides what's a few million

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dollars among friends let me tell you

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something else that we have to offer

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chart off always talking about something

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these trying to sell and you turn it off

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continue discussions that start on the

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power cast and we have that situation

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when Walter Bosley was here last time

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where he had some books he wanted to

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talk about we ran out of time

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so we got him back for that so this is

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an example of what that's about and to

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talking about pop culture about special

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effects and everything and the thing

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about it now is that it's so easy to

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produce special effects on the cheaper

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that more and more of these so-called

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UFO photos can be created but people

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without big budgets and that creates a

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problem therein lies a dilemma so are

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there any UFO photos out there anymore

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guys that could be genuine or is it

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possible just to create a fake no matter

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what I'm sure there's some that could be

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genuine the problem is the photograph no

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longer stands as a strong piece of

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evidence or as strong as it used to I

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don't think I'm in that camp that thinks

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that the photograph of the video is now

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unfortunately diluted or watered down

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because of what you're talking about now

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you have to get into who originated it

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you know who generated it where is it

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coming from you know can we get an

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expert in here to analyze it now you

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know whereas before it was like hey get

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a photo get it on film well now you just

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because of this that's not as strong

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anymore I think also gene that you know

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in the past when when it was an analogue

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people on holiday or just people into

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photography they were carrying real

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cameras around with you know decent

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lenses on them sometimes but most people

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even for their holiday stops now they're

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taking them on their mobile phone and

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even though the you know the number of

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pixels the kind of image quality is

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quite good in that respect they are not

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good for taking of photographs of small

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objects at a distance in the sky and

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this this can be shown by just try to

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take a photo of a jet you know maybe a

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20,000 feet or so

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it is terrible and you know far less can

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analog cameras on the goo know and I

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think this just you know people often

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make the point that there are so many

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cameras in the hands of people all the

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time now why are we not flooded with

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great UFO photos well part of the reason

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is these people constantly looking down

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texting they're not looking at the sky

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and even if they were camera phones are

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terrible for taking photos at a distance

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of small objects well the other issue

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you have to consider is that it's harder

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to hold them steady because the camera

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is designed to fit and to be held on

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your face and you can steady it better a

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smartphone is kind of an awkward way to

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do it now it's true that some

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smartphones like the iPhone six-plus

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have optical image stabilization that

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helps and it's also we have some smart

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phone cameras with loads and loads of

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megapixels that helps but not completely

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right and then there's the issue that I

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think gene we were talking about with

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Greg here I'm pretty sure it was here on

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the para cast where you know if it is a

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legitimate object there might be

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something on board that is messing with

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the digital visual recording of it it

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might be emitting some type of signal

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and you know if you add that factor in

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you know for taking the leap and what

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we're talking about here that makes it

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even more difficult to capture these

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things so you know between the limits of

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the camera or and what might be on the

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thing to mask it again trying to capture

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a legitimate one or anything you know

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just isn't the thing like it used to be

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I think a man I think many of us think

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agree that the the UFO phenomena

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phenomena has there's always been it's

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always been up to the UFOs or their

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occupants or wherever they come from

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it's always been up to them how much

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they allow us to be seen them to be

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there them to be seen and I wonder now

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if

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with them being probably aware that

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there may be are more cameras around

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even if they're smartphone cameras I

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wonder if you know they are even like

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allowing themselves to be seen even less

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was it a weight of it let's do the

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Ecker and you are tuned into the para

609
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cast let me tell you what you're gonna

610
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hear stuff here that you probably won't

611
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:13,059
hear anywhere else hear that George

612
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:17,110
snoring McCoy Walter Bosley Chris

613
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:19,690
O'Brien will be here later on and we're

614
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:21,400
now hitting the main topic of our

615
00:27:27,390 --> 00:27:24,370
discussion here from pop culture to UFO

616
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:27,400
photos to breakaway civilizations before

617
00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:30,730
we go on with that Walter Bosley yeah

618
00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:31,900
you know you bring up a good point

619
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:35,830
absolutely I think I'm in that camp I I

620
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,559
agree there's that place a big big role

621
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:41,520
a big factor and think about this

622
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:44,559
especially if you're looking at

623
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:46,210
something that is the product of a

624
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:48,910
breakaway civilization it's it's within

625
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:52,809
their interests to mess with the imagery

626
00:27:59,010 --> 00:27:55,840
if by capturing what it really looks

627
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,020
like you might be able to find something

628
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,080
that reveals the breakaway civilization

629
00:28:06,990 --> 00:28:03,840
origin of it as opposed to the

630
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:07,000
mysterious extraterrestrial or you know

631
00:28:11,070 --> 00:28:09,490
other dimension I wanted listeners

632
00:28:13,410 --> 00:28:11,080
particularly those who are new to the

633
00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:13,420
show and haven't heard about this what

634
00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:16,200
is your definition of the breakaway

635
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:20,200
civilization my definition I think it's

636
00:28:28,250 --> 00:28:24,330
pretty much a group that is financially

637
00:28:32,190 --> 00:28:28,260
politically and therefore socially

638
00:28:36,060 --> 00:28:32,200
independent of the world as known by the

639
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:36,070
mass of humanity who has developed their

640
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:39,370
not only their own civilization in the

641
00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:41,460
social financial and political realm but

642
00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:43,990
technologically that gives them the

643
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:47,470
independence they need to not have to

644
00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:50,770
participate in the world we have to

645
00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:52,900
participate in the way I like to look at

646
00:28:55,980 --> 00:28:53,830
it is or the way I

647
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:55,990
tend to look at it is they've got their

648
00:29:00,539 --> 00:28:58,330
thing they considered a good thing and

649
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:00,549
they don't want to lose their good thing

650
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:04,090
so they broken away from us even further

651
00:29:12,899 --> 00:29:08,769
to maintain that buffer and so therefore

652
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:12,909
they would like to remain as covert as

653
00:29:21,090 --> 00:29:17,710
possible and yet I find that they still

654
00:29:23,970 --> 00:29:21,100
have a stake in what's going on in in

655
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:23,980
the known world certainly because

656
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:26,409
they're using you know some of the same

657
00:29:34,649 --> 00:29:31,080
resources that's my kind of big wordy

658
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:34,659
definition yeah and so do we are we

659
00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:37,330
seeing I think I am saying personally

660
00:29:45,570 --> 00:29:40,980
that possibly the impetus behind any

661
00:29:49,049 --> 00:29:45,580
breakaway civilization could be the kind

662
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:49,059
of alternative 3 theory and that is that

663
00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:51,760
these people the establishment of the

664
00:29:57,149 --> 00:29:53,320
super rich and powerful you know

665
00:29:59,220 --> 00:29:57,159
Bilderberg Group these kind of people at

666
00:30:00,990 --> 00:29:59,230
some point in the last 50 years or

667
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,000
whatever they've you know sat down and

668
00:30:06,299 --> 00:30:02,799
all their meetings and thought you know

669
00:30:09,090 --> 00:30:06,309
what the world population is just gonna

670
00:30:11,639 --> 00:30:09,100
keep on getting bigger and resources are

671
00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:11,649
finite we're running out of oil and

672
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:15,220
stuff and they are kind of thinking well

673
00:30:20,129 --> 00:30:17,710
never mind the rest the world we want to

674
00:30:24,090 --> 00:30:20,139
continue to species and set certainly

675
00:30:27,779 --> 00:30:24,100
our own genetic line and we need to

676
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,789
start planning ahead now for when the

677
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:30,480
earth becomes uninhabitable due to

678
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:34,690
possibly runaway virus or just a lack of

679
00:30:39,810 --> 00:30:38,320
resources or a huge solar flare any of

680
00:30:42,779 --> 00:30:39,820
those reasons but it may just be

681
00:30:44,430 --> 00:30:42,789
thinking so far ahead you know we we

682
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,440
need to do something now

683
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:46,000
and we're not going to tell the people

684
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:48,970
because the majority of people they want

685
00:30:52,830 --> 00:30:51,039
to be allowed to be part of it they

686
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,840
can't adjust for the numbers and they

687
00:30:57,870 --> 00:30:55,120
might be very unhappy if they knew that

688
00:31:00,480 --> 00:30:57,880
probably a lot of their hard work is

689
00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:00,490
maybe even being utilized towards these

690
00:31:05,370 --> 00:31:02,830
goals but they don't even know it and if

691
00:31:07,289 --> 00:31:05,380
I go back to the alternative 3 scenario

692
00:31:09,299 --> 00:31:07,299
in that there are all these

693
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:09,309
scientists and whatever these people who

694
00:31:14,639 --> 00:31:11,950
are judged have some kind of Worth and

695
00:31:17,070 --> 00:31:14,649
they are being siphoned off kind of

696
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:17,080
disappeared if you like into this

697
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:19,690
program whilst the rest of us are not

698
00:31:24,509 --> 00:31:21,970
even allowed to know is there a break

699
00:31:27,239 --> 00:31:24,519
breakaway civilization I certainly think

700
00:31:29,729 --> 00:31:27,249
it's it's worthwhile to look at why

701
00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:29,739
these people might choose to to create

702
00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:32,169
one and I think that kind of alternative

703
00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:36,100
three scenario is probably the best

704
00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:38,830
reason now guys are you considering

705
00:31:44,190 --> 00:31:41,409
breakaway civilizations here in the same

706
00:31:47,310 --> 00:31:44,200
sense as Richard Dolan does yeah refresh

707
00:31:49,229 --> 00:31:47,320
my memory on specifically okay well

708
00:31:53,369 --> 00:31:49,239
there is a breakaway civilization

709
00:31:56,249 --> 00:31:53,379
dot-com website mm-hmm and I'll read you

710
00:31:58,259 --> 00:31:56,259
the paragraph okay okay and you can tell

711
00:32:00,599 --> 00:31:58,269
me if you feel this theory works the

712
00:32:03,419 --> 00:32:00,609
term breakaway civilization was coined

713
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:03,429
by Richard Dolan after his exhaustive

714
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:05,470
and expensive research into his books

715
00:32:10,889 --> 00:32:08,289
UFOs and the national security state

716
00:32:13,619 --> 00:32:10,899
volumes 1 and 2 he came to the

717
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:13,629
realization that the deep secretive

718
00:32:18,690 --> 00:32:16,210
black-budget world had actually become a

719
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,700
civilization of its own with its own

720
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:21,039
exotic technology a different view of

721
00:32:26,099 --> 00:32:23,710
the cosmos our place in it and a

722
00:32:28,019 --> 00:32:26,109
different version of human history this

723
00:32:30,029 --> 00:32:28,029
is a new avenue of research that will

724
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,039
delve into the occult secret society

725
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:32,799
central banking UFO secrecy the

726
00:32:38,099 --> 00:32:35,289
military-industrial complex and the

727
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:38,109
secret space program comprising this

728
00:32:41,310 --> 00:32:39,730
breakaway civilization

729
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:41,320
now that sounds more all-encompassing

730
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,210
than what you're talking about Walter oh

731
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,279
no here's what I'm talking about

732
00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:48,159
actually in my view there are based on

733
00:32:54,269 --> 00:32:50,230
my research and my analysis there are

734
00:32:57,149 --> 00:32:54,279
two breakaway civilizations and one of

735
00:32:59,580 --> 00:32:57,159
them absolutely encompasses all that you

736
00:33:04,310 --> 00:32:59,590
just described and what God's was

737
00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:04,320
talking about the other one I find is

738
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:09,179
much less involved in the occult and

739
00:33:13,889 --> 00:33:12,190
social engineering aspects these are

740
00:33:17,129 --> 00:33:13,899
what I call the nuts and bolts guys

741
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:17,139
whose interest is just we want to do our

742
00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:18,310
own thing

743
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:21,580
we want to get off planet we want to you

744
00:33:28,770 --> 00:33:25,450
know industrialize and um they're not so

745
00:33:30,930 --> 00:33:28,780
much into trying to get into controlling

746
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:30,940
the mass of humanity through the banking

747
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:32,950
and all these other things you're

748
00:33:38,910 --> 00:33:36,010
talking about but absolutely their

749
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:38,920
opposition I believe these I'm convinced

750
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:39,910
that the I don't like to use the word

751
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,110
believe I think that these two breakaway

752
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:46,000
civilizations are in opposition to each

753
00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:49,600
other now because humans you know it's

754
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:51,670
it's a normal human thing to want to

755
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:53,890
divide when people are in opposition you

756
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:55,330
want to say okay who are the good guys

757
00:33:59,700 --> 00:33:57,090
who are the bad guys

758
00:34:02,490 --> 00:33:59,710
it's not exactly there's a gray area

759
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:02,500
where that's concerned because here's my

760
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:06,010
view the guys who are not the ones that

761
00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:08,650
as as Dolan describes them that

762
00:34:13,020 --> 00:34:10,990
encompass all the occult and the social

763
00:34:15,210 --> 00:34:13,030
engineering and and all the you know the

764
00:34:17,970 --> 00:34:15,220
world banking stuff the the guys that

765
00:34:20,970 --> 00:34:17,980
are the nuts and bolts ones it it's not

766
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:20,980
that they don't care about us so much

767
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:22,810
that they're what you would call the

768
00:34:26,850 --> 00:34:25,330
traditional good guys like in a cereal

769
00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:26,860
they just kind of want to do their own

770
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:29,830
thing but they're opposed to the in my

771
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,410
view they're opposed to the tactics and

772
00:34:37,830 --> 00:34:35,440
the objectives of the ones who do want

773
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:37,840
to be here controlling us if this makes

774
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:40,750
sense and that's why they're they're

775
00:34:46,110 --> 00:34:43,450
kind of the between the two they're the

776
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:46,120
the better guys the the lesser of the

777
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:48,490
two evils you might say this is my view

778
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:51,250
based on my research well let's look

779
00:34:56,460 --> 00:34:53,530
into this in more detail here so just to

780
00:34:58,830 --> 00:34:56,470
clarify both breakaway civilizations

781
00:35:01,110 --> 00:34:58,840
consist of normal human beings or

782
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,120
whatever yes who have decided to do

783
00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:02,800
their own thing to go off and do their

784
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:05,070
own thing so we think about some secret

785
00:35:09,090 --> 00:35:07,330
civilization like in Mount Shasta or

786
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,100
something where some of these legends

787
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:11,200
arose or maybe they live in the caves

788
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:13,690
and maybe this is what we call D rose

789
00:35:19,860 --> 00:35:16,930
and T rose is that going too far

790
00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:19,870
yeah well see that that plays a part in

791
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,070
the in the ancient aspect of what's

792
00:35:29,820 --> 00:35:26,320
connected to all this what the way I see

793
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:29,830
it is the ones that want to have a hand

794
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:31,930
of control on us here

795
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:33,849
they live among us when I mean that

796
00:35:38,190 --> 00:35:35,710
they're the ones who are the rich who

797
00:35:39,870 --> 00:35:38,200
live in the nice houses in Rhode Island

798
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:39,880
and you know the I guess you know the

799
00:35:44,339 --> 00:35:42,250
nice side of Manhattan and you know that

800
00:35:45,299 --> 00:35:44,349
you know they they live among us here on

801
00:35:48,270 --> 00:35:45,309
earth

802
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:48,280
now they have there naturally they would

803
00:35:53,099 --> 00:35:50,410
have their access to off-planet stuff

804
00:35:54,839 --> 00:35:53,109
but these would be the elite that God's

805
00:35:57,870 --> 00:35:54,849
mentioned and other people have pointed

806
00:36:00,750 --> 00:35:57,880
out that this one this breakaway that

807
00:36:03,690 --> 00:36:00,760
wants to control the world so to speak

808
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,700
now superficially then let's clarify see

809
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:05,200
officially they seem to be regular

810
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:07,569
people oh absolutely they aren't they're

811
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:10,140
human beings you meet them on the street

812
00:36:14,490 --> 00:36:12,609
you see them in the restaurant but

813
00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:14,500
they've got this whole other side of

814
00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:17,980
their lives it's from us yeah that's the

815
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:19,859
way I that's the way I look at it yeah

816
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to the Peres cast the gold standard of

924
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paranormal radio you see there what I

925
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did folks was to allow God's Makai and

926
00:41:24,580 --> 00:41:22,880
Walter Bosley to compete amongst

927
00:41:26,859 --> 00:41:24,590
themselves for who would say the power

928
00:41:29,410 --> 00:41:26,869
cast Inger first and maybe next time

929
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:29,420
they'll say it so fast to be like these

930
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:31,250
commercials they used to have years ago

931
00:41:35,140 --> 00:41:33,170
about Federal Express where they

932
00:41:39,370 --> 00:41:35,150
actually hired an actor who could speak

933
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:39,380
very fast yes the Joe Seidel Meyer ads I

934
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:41,810
believe he was the director of those and

935
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:44,240
he had a little bit of fame amongst

936
00:41:52,210 --> 00:41:48,010
filmmakers for a while there there so

937
00:41:54,130 --> 00:41:52,220
yeah I tried to practice that and I just

938
00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:54,140
stumbled all over myself I mean I took

939
00:41:59,950 --> 00:41:57,140
certain exercises to heart when I

940
00:42:01,570 --> 00:41:59,960
studied broadcasting on there you go

941
00:42:04,990 --> 00:42:01,580
let's get back to our breakaway

942
00:42:08,770 --> 00:42:05,000
civilization discussions we are talking

943
00:42:12,250 --> 00:42:08,780
about and this is definitely to do with

944
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,260
like having a secret space program we

945
00:42:18,010 --> 00:42:14,960
are talking about that aspect okay so

946
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:18,020
it's a bit like the the plot of the Bond

947
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:19,370
movie moon ray

948
00:42:27,850 --> 00:42:25,490
is it not yeah a bit surviving exactly

949
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:27,860
and of course Ian Fleming I'm not the

950
00:42:31,090 --> 00:42:29,750
only one to argue this you know

951
00:42:33,250 --> 00:42:31,100
Childress and others have written about

952
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:33,260
it but Ian Fleming knew something about

953
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,170
this alright so we know about all the

954
00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:37,760
things that were going on in the Bond

955
00:42:42,030 --> 00:42:40,070
novels and more exaggerated in the

956
00:42:44,290 --> 00:42:42,040
movies which for the most part very

957
00:42:47,350 --> 00:42:44,300
superficially resemble the actual novels

958
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,360
if you ever read James Bond novel now

959
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,280
the thing I just may here is we have two

960
00:42:56,730 --> 00:42:51,920
types of breakaway civilizations do they

961
00:43:00,280 --> 00:42:56,740
fight each other what happens I I think

962
00:43:02,770 --> 00:43:00,290
that when you hear for instance

963
00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:02,780
Joseph Ferrell and others talking about

964
00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:05,750
a secret war going on in the Kosmos and

965
00:43:09,490 --> 00:43:08,180
and you know others talk about you know

966
00:43:11,350 --> 00:43:09,500
there might be ships shooting at each

967
00:43:15,010 --> 00:43:11,360
other up there and stuff yes I would say

968
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:15,020
that they are involved in a conflict

969
00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:17,750
with each other and then of course that

970
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:19,640
leads to the possibility that you know

971
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,010
they might be each separately in a

972
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:25,280
conflict with whoever's out there or you

973
00:43:29,860 --> 00:43:27,530
could even take it as far as each one

974
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:29,870
might be allied to opposing forces out

975
00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:31,730
there I mean you know it could be a

976
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:35,480
whole sci-fi fantasy adventure scenario

977
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:39,170
going on but I think they do take their

978
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:43,040
conflict seriously and you know I think

979
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:44,930
that like I said before based on my

980
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:47,330
research I think what part of what was

981
00:43:54,270 --> 00:43:49,970
going on in what I write about in San

982
00:43:57,370 --> 00:43:54,280
Bernadino in 1915 had to do with these

983
00:44:00,340 --> 00:43:57,380
breakaway factions in opposition to one

984
00:44:03,460 --> 00:44:00,350
another I do think there was some very

985
00:44:05,290 --> 00:44:03,470
lethal conflict going on there so does

986
00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:05,300
that mean they actually engage in wars

987
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:07,670
against one another or what they would

988
00:44:14,530 --> 00:44:12,290
engage in wars they would engage in sp

989
00:44:16,750 --> 00:44:14,540
definitely espionage and everything that

990
00:44:19,390 --> 00:44:16,760
goes with it which would include you

991
00:44:21,370 --> 00:44:19,400
know the occasional murder assassination

992
00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:21,380
you know against each other's operatives

993
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:23,480
sure these are things that go on in the

994
00:44:28,450 --> 00:44:25,910
real known world of espionage between

995
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:28,460
nations and such so wouldn't you think

996
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:31,250
right if there was a single breakaway

997
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:32,690
civilization

998
00:44:38,530 --> 00:44:35,690
it would be you know a certain level of

999
00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:38,540
difficulty to keep it secret from the

1000
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:42,950
general public okay if there were no

1001
00:44:48,190 --> 00:44:45,700
rival if there were two rival ones

1002
00:44:50,770 --> 00:44:48,200
simultaneously you'd have to think that

1003
00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:50,780
really makes it more difficult to keep

1004
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,700
them both secret especially if they're

1005
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,040
in competition with each other you could

1006
00:44:58,540 --> 00:44:56,720
look at it that way number one you gotta

1007
00:45:01,210 --> 00:44:58,550
ask yourself how secret are they really

1008
00:45:03,609 --> 00:45:01,220
keeping it number two actually look at

1009
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:03,619
it this way let's say there was only one

1010
00:45:09,099 --> 00:45:06,170
breakaway civilization and let's say it

1011
00:45:10,569 --> 00:45:09,109
is by the evidence we could suggest that

1012
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:10,579
goes on in the world with the banking

1013
00:45:16,329 --> 00:45:13,910
and and the alleged occult stuff and the

1014
00:45:17,950 --> 00:45:16,339
social engineering and the elitism you

1015
00:45:20,290 --> 00:45:17,960
you could say that if they were the only

1016
00:45:22,270 --> 00:45:20,300
breakaway came in town why would they

1017
00:45:24,220 --> 00:45:22,280
hide themselves they would just come out

1018
00:45:26,650 --> 00:45:24,230
this world we live in would be a lot

1019
00:45:29,319 --> 00:45:26,660
nastier and a lot worse if there was

1020
00:45:30,849 --> 00:45:29,329
only one because and particularly if it

1021
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:30,859
was the one that wants to control us if

1022
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:34,400
it was the elitist one because why hide

1023
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:36,050
why not just come out and say hey

1024
00:45:39,579 --> 00:45:37,849
everybody we're better than you where

1025
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:39,589
the elite we rule the world this is what

1026
00:45:44,650 --> 00:45:42,170
we have suck it up and live with it but

1027
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:44,660
isn't that kind of happening already we

1028
00:45:49,569 --> 00:45:47,089
have more and more control of our

1029
00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:49,579
institutions and the government yeah but

1030
00:45:53,770 --> 00:45:50,990
what I'm saying is it would be on

1031
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,780
steroids it would be much more much more

1032
00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:55,520
out in the open if they were the only

1033
00:45:58,569 --> 00:45:56,390
game in town

1034
00:46:00,670 --> 00:45:58,579
this is why when I discussed with some

1035
00:46:02,829 --> 00:46:00,680
other author researchers you know they

1036
00:46:04,990 --> 00:46:02,839
they have a very cynical pessimistic

1037
00:46:06,579 --> 00:46:05,000
view they got all the you know evil

1038
00:46:08,109 --> 00:46:06,589
controls the world and there's nothing

1039
00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:08,119
we can do about it and that law and and

1040
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:10,550
I argue hey wait a minute well then why

1041
00:46:14,890 --> 00:46:12,890
are they still masking themselves at all

1042
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:14,900
if that if they didn't have anybody

1043
00:46:20,650 --> 00:46:18,319
keeping them in check not necessarily

1044
00:46:22,450 --> 00:46:20,660
because they're checkers love us I'm

1045
00:46:25,420 --> 00:46:22,460
just saying if they didn't have anybody

1046
00:46:27,220 --> 00:46:25,430
keeping them in check they would be much

1047
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:27,230
more out in the open they'd be acting

1048
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,810
like you know Hitler and his guys did

1049
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,000
you know that they would just they

1050
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:35,119
wouldn't care that's my view of it so I

1051
00:46:40,690 --> 00:46:37,369
think that even with all the stuff that

1052
00:46:43,210 --> 00:46:40,700
we can point to that we know is going on

1053
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:43,220
I say that it would believe it or not it

1054
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:45,690
would be a lot worse if there wasn't

1055
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:48,720
someone out there opposing them or vying

1056
00:46:55,850 --> 00:46:53,250
for what they want that's just my view

1057
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:55,860
that's my take on so you're saying here

1058
00:47:02,210 --> 00:46:59,280
that there is some level of control here

1059
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:02,220
some kind of steps and balances to allow

1060
00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:06,210
them to operate but not get too blatant

1061
00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:08,220
about it yeah I'm gonna say in a

1062
00:47:13,340 --> 00:47:10,620
discussion of this theory which I do

1063
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:13,350
subscribe to that there are breakaway

1064
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:15,450
civilizations and I mean that and I

1065
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:17,370
subscribe to the idea that it's plural

1066
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:20,880
the yeah there is a check and balance

1067
00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:23,870
there's something going on between these

1068
00:47:29,630 --> 00:47:26,670
civilizations these groups there's

1069
00:47:33,020 --> 00:47:29,640
something going on that keeps either one

1070
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:33,030
of them from getting a true upper hand

1071
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:36,390
nuclear day taunt balance of power in

1072
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:40,160
the arms race it was happening with you

1073
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:42,930
yeah conceptually and theoretically yes

1074
00:47:48,610 --> 00:47:44,250
we're talking about something like that

1075
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:48,620
now remember this is between them so the

1076
00:47:55,820 --> 00:47:52,800
they still either they both I mean

1077
00:47:57,890 --> 00:47:55,830
independently can and probably do you

1078
00:48:00,830 --> 00:47:57,900
could argue you know exhibit some

1079
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:00,840
control over the rest of us of course

1080
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:04,050
but what I'm saying is if they weren't

1081
00:48:08,570 --> 00:48:05,970
out there butting heads with each other

1082
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:08,580
you know the one who's the worse of the

1083
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:11,730
two if they stood unopposed I argue

1084
00:48:16,730 --> 00:48:13,650
things would be a lot worse for us

1085
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:16,740
because these people are elitists at

1086
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:18,690
least the one group is they're elitist

1087
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:22,050
they're eugenicist s-- they're they're

1088
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:26,990
very bad characters very bad souls and

1089
00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:30,690
they would do the you know just hideous

1090
00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:32,940
stuff more so than people think is going

1091
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:33,660
on already

1092
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:35,910
yeah well the big question I'm going to

1093
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:37,260
ask you and we have some questions from

1094
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,210
our listeners I want to bring up from

1095
00:48:44,740 --> 00:48:41,520
our forum at forum dr parra cast calm

1096
00:48:49,850 --> 00:48:44,750
and that is here it seems to me that

1097
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:49,860
it's too easy for these breakaway

1098
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:52,050
civilizations to act upon our

1099
00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:55,110
civilization and we'll never know it it

1100
00:48:59,160 --> 00:48:56,760
could be done very gradually we wake up

1101
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,170
one day and we are under there

1102
00:49:04,170 --> 00:49:02,079
control one faction or the other yeah I

1103
00:49:07,319 --> 00:49:04,180
think that's right I I think that's

1104
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,329
reasonable I I don't see why you know

1105
00:49:12,420 --> 00:49:10,240
that's that's not true

1106
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:12,430
boy that creates a lot of paranoia

1107
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:17,290
doesn't it yeah but you know you got it

1108
00:49:20,849 --> 00:49:19,089
depends on the individual you know you

1109
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:20,859
just it's that classic old thing a

1110
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:22,930
there's just some things I can't control

1111
00:49:29,490 --> 00:49:25,990
all I can do is know how I will react to

1112
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:29,500
certain things you know if if a then

1113
00:49:34,349 --> 00:49:32,319
this is my reaction if B this is my

1114
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,359
reaction if C this is my reaction and in

1115
00:49:38,730 --> 00:49:36,640
the meantime I'm gonna live my life and

1116
00:49:40,799 --> 00:49:38,740
keep my eyes and ears open without

1117
00:49:42,030 --> 00:49:40,809
letting it drive me crazy because you

1118
00:49:44,569 --> 00:49:42,040
know what this has been going on a lot

1119
00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:44,579
longer than any of us have been alive

1120
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:47,640
right there when did it all start I

1121
00:49:52,589 --> 00:49:50,880
would say that the specific breakaway

1122
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:52,599
organizations that we're talking about

1123
00:49:59,849 --> 00:49:55,290
today in my opinion based on my research

1124
00:50:03,539 --> 00:49:59,859
the one faction was already forming it

1125
00:50:06,450 --> 00:50:03,549
by the early mid 19th century and the

1126
00:50:08,130 --> 00:50:06,460
other faction the guys that I considered

1127
00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:08,140
the nuts and bolts just kind of want to

1128
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:09,670
get out there and industrialize and go

1129
00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:13,770
their own way I I think they broke off

1130
00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:16,750
they broke off from what was forming

1131
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:21,369
around around the time right after our

1132
00:50:27,210 --> 00:50:25,569
Civil War so the 1870s is when they kind

1133
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:27,220
of started doing their own thing

1134
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:30,599
and they were mostly most likely

1135
00:50:38,730 --> 00:50:35,290
Americans and probably you know certain

1136
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:38,740
Europeans and and such but that's what I

1137
00:50:43,319 --> 00:50:41,770
think I think they date back to the ones

1138
00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:43,329
we're talking about today in my opinion

1139
00:50:48,690 --> 00:50:46,150
date back to the 19th century I'm going

1140
00:50:54,299 --> 00:50:48,700
to ask whether that's the source of

1141
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:54,309
those airships from the 1890s you know

1142
00:50:59,640 --> 00:50:56,530
that will do that our next segment why I

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who has counterintelligence credentials

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credentials we do not want to recognize

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because they're top secret no I'm

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kidding

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cogs and Walter you're in the Paris Auto

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you see he does a real Scottie not the

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fake Scottie that's right that's right

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so we know there's another career for

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you doing voiceover work Boggs if you

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want to pursue it I think it would have

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a limited life thought clear you think

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so well did you see there was a thread

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in their podcast forums after my last

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appearance in and the title of the

1219
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thread was you know something along the

1220
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lines of Boggs does not sound like

1221
00:54:48,490 --> 00:54:45,950
Scotty from Star Trek which is what Don

1222
00:54:50,650 --> 00:54:48,500
had said are we talking about each

1223
00:54:53,260 --> 00:54:50,660
Scotty the one from James Doohan the

1224
00:54:55,630 --> 00:54:53,270
Canadian or the one from Simon Pegg the

1225
00:54:58,330 --> 00:54:55,640
guy from the UK we are talking about

1226
00:55:01,560 --> 00:54:58,340
Jimmy Doohan definitely well Jimmy

1227
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:01,570
Doohan was doing as we say the cliched

1228
00:55:06,850 --> 00:55:04,370
version yeah cuz he was Canadian yeah

1229
00:55:08,980 --> 00:55:06,860
right but he was also voice-over

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specialist and now before we get too

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stop the power cast calm well looking

1264
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over here breakaway civilizations

1265
00:56:30,849 --> 00:56:29,119
becoming the main topic of discussion

1266
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,859
with Walter Bosley and gongs Makai and

1267
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:33,440
Walter I asked you of the airships from

1268
00:56:39,579 --> 00:56:37,250
the 1890s may have been flown by some

1269
00:56:41,019 --> 00:56:39,589
sort of representative or more

1270
00:56:43,809 --> 00:56:41,029
representatives of one of these

1271
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:43,819
breakaway civilizations and in my

1272
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:47,569
opinion that's a big fat yes absolutely

1273
00:56:57,220 --> 00:56:52,130
I'm convinced that the airship mystery

1274
00:57:00,999 --> 00:56:57,230
of the 1890s was this faction that broke

1275
00:57:04,690 --> 00:57:01,009
away from the breakaway so to speak

1276
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:04,700
faction number two the the American and

1277
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,720
European base guys they didn't want it

1278
00:57:12,609 --> 00:57:10,640
they didn't want to be part of world

1279
00:57:16,109 --> 00:57:12,619
domination they just wanted to do their

1280
00:57:19,749 --> 00:57:16,119
own thing and I think that by the 1890s

1281
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:19,759
they had begun to develop what they were

1282
00:57:24,579 --> 00:57:22,880
working on to the point where they they

1283
00:57:28,660 --> 00:57:24,589
upped the game they upped their game

1284
00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:28,670
anyway and really we're putting on a

1285
00:57:34,329 --> 00:57:31,849
display I think for the opposition

1286
00:57:36,249 --> 00:57:34,339
saying you know here's what we got

1287
00:57:40,329 --> 00:57:36,259
here's what we can do you're not the

1288
00:57:42,910 --> 00:57:40,339
only game in town great airship mystery

1289
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:42,920
cases that was a fuel em do they not

1290
00:57:48,609 --> 00:57:45,170
have some kind of high strange aspects

1291
00:57:53,319 --> 00:57:48,619
to them not as many as you think that

1292
00:57:55,299 --> 00:57:53,329
gets tagged on there just the same very

1293
00:57:57,309 --> 00:57:55,309
much like you know people say oh but

1294
00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:57,319
weren't most of them all a bunch of

1295
00:58:02,349 --> 00:57:59,210
April Fool's jokes and fakes no no no no

1296
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:02,359
no very few of them when you actually

1297
00:58:06,460 --> 00:58:04,730
look at the accounts very few of them

1298
00:58:09,460 --> 00:58:06,470
were jokes and April Fool's

1299
00:58:12,099 --> 00:58:09,470
you know stunts in fact a guy named

1300
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:12,109
Michael Busby has done an excellent book

1301
00:58:19,690 --> 00:58:15,410
called solving the 1896 airship mystery

1302
00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:19,700
that I recommend but

1303
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:23,150
the high strangeness that you mentioned

1304
00:58:30,130 --> 00:58:26,329
when you look at the actual reports it

1305
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:30,140
seems kind of weird in a retelling but

1306
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,520
when you look at the actual reports

1307
00:58:36,190 --> 00:58:33,920
there's something very human going on

1308
00:58:40,809 --> 00:58:36,200
there and I think things were

1309
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:40,819
interpreted possibly you know as such or

1310
00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:45,710
that the technology was so unknown to

1311
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:48,230
most people and so would be considered

1312
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:51,170
advanced back then that it would seem as

1313
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:53,450
magic to paraphrase that famous quote

1314
00:58:59,380 --> 00:58:57,890
but it really 90 about 95 percent of

1315
00:59:03,160 --> 00:58:59,390
what you read in those accounts is a

1316
00:59:05,020 --> 00:59:03,170
very human technology and yet still just

1317
00:59:07,150 --> 00:59:05,030
as fascinating because somebody's out

1318
00:59:09,819 --> 00:59:07,160
there doing this stuff the thing that

1319
00:59:11,260 --> 00:59:09,829
bothers me about all this is if we have

1320
00:59:14,140 --> 00:59:11,270
these breakaway civilizations

1321
00:59:16,990 --> 00:59:14,150
established in the 19th century uh-huh

1322
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:17,000
why haven't they taken over already well

1323
00:59:26,260 --> 00:59:21,410
who says number one who says they

1324
00:59:28,839 --> 00:59:26,270
haven't or number two are you that this

1325
00:59:30,940 --> 00:59:28,849
the second breakaway they have no

1326
00:59:32,740 --> 00:59:30,950
interest in taking over like I said a

1327
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:32,750
minute ago they don't want to rule the

1328
00:59:36,970 --> 00:59:35,450
world they want to rule themselves they

1329
00:59:39,609 --> 00:59:36,980
want to go out there and have their own

1330
00:59:43,210 --> 00:59:39,619
world and they don't really want to rule

1331
00:59:45,370 --> 00:59:43,220
over us now the other guys the ones that

1332
00:59:48,430 --> 00:59:45,380
they broke from I think these are the

1333
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:48,440
ones who you know have embedded within

1334
00:59:52,690 --> 00:59:50,809
this idea of the New World Order and the

1335
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,700
elitists when you talk about all these

1336
00:59:57,069 --> 00:59:54,799
elitists and doing all these heinous

1337
00:59:59,289 --> 00:59:57,079
things you're talking about you know

1338
01:00:00,700 --> 00:59:59,299
breakaway civilization number one you

1339
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:00,710
know I'll call it as opposed to number

1340
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:05,839
two my because of my books I have a

1341
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:08,720
reference label for them but you know we

1342
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,250
haven't gotten into the books really so

1343
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,799
but I call the older one the elitist one

1344
01:00:15,970 --> 01:00:14,240
the one that's involved in the occult

1345
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:15,980
and the social engineering the one that

1346
01:00:21,660 --> 01:00:18,319
wants to rule us and is actually showing

1347
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its hand in doing so I call them team

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nimza and the other breakaway that just

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wants to be nuts and bolts and explore

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and don't want to you know

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will rule over us I call them team

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Senora in my balls I'll give an

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explanation why Walter could you expand

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a little on the the occult interest of

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the the elite group

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well they you know these are guys who

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came out of you know the ranks of people

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into alchemy and Hermeticism and you

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know the the the ones who you know

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they're that using magic and we're

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talking that very you know that Enochian

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you know that ancient type magic the

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kind of stuff Crowley of course was into

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and in things like that Parsons and such

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and you know they they were historically

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this particular faction had among them

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for instance the luminaries and the

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spiritualist with capital S cuz

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spiritualism as you guys probably aware

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was very popular and have been emerged

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in the mid 19th century and by the 1890s

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in the early 20th century I mean it was

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really popular and spiritualism became

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what we call in our times the the New

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Age movement and these these

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spiritualist luminaries they were

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ingratiate 'add with the people that you

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can that I have identified as being

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associated with this elitist faction

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breakaway and you know out of this has

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grown social engineering and such and

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when you dig deeper you find a lot of

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occult ideas because among the

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spiritualists and the others involved in

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the seed elitist breakaway faction you

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also had for example the late 19th

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century early 20th century German

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occultists okay

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yes the same in German occultists who

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inspired the Thule society who then in

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turn were very much involved in the rise

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of the Nazi Party so we're talking that

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milieu that baffle European mist

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a cult milieu and part of that was a

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desire to reach out to other entities

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otherworldly civilizations or beings I

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would look to Peter Levin does the Dark

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Lord for a good overview of some some of

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that stuff but certainly you know he's

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not the only one to have written about

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this but these kinds of things were very

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important to the kind of people that

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were also involved in the you know

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allegedly involved in the airship

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Bosley and GOx Makai focusing on

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breakaway civilizations in which there

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may be more than one so let me ask you a

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real silly question here would someone

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like a Donald Trump be a potential

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representative of the breakaway

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01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:28,589
civilization here to take over or is it

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a big joke I I think that the actual

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guys are a little bit more low-key I

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don't think it's a big joke

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III think he's very serious about you

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know what he's pursuing but I in my

1542
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opinion I don't think he'd be a good

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representative for either one because

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you know just his personality and his

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nature he's a loose cannon yes he would

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be definitely I think in their circles

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on either side both sides of the

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opposition you know the conflict yeah I

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think they're looking for people a

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little more low-key so what kind of

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absolute numbers are we talking about in

1552
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either of these breakaway groups what do

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you mean by numbers oh how many people

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who knows I mean you need people at the

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top you know in in my opinion I think

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what I call team nimza the older one the

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one that is and that does involve a cult

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and elitist ideas

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I think there's is numbers in our world

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more of them I and and that might be

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just simply because they've been around

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longer and because of their interests

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that they want to rule this world

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so really technically this is their

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world I think the other guys can take

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them on power wise and that's how they

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maintain their independence so to speak

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their personal sovereignty so they

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don't necessarily need numbers to

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reflect their strength or anything like

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that so I would say that the the older

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one the one that's interested in

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controlling this world I say there's

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more there they have a larger population

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in individual numbers but remember the

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thing that I think theoretically that

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gives them you know what they are that

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allows them to be what they are is how

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many people have power how many people

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of a resource you know that's that's

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what counts

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so I mean if they only need it break

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away number two team Senora I call them

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if they only need five guys at the top

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that can provide them you know the

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resources then doesn't matter if the

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other guys have ten as long as they're

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able to match or exceed you know the

1589
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numbers don't matter well one of the

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things here that possibly allows someone

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or something like this to take hold is

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that most people don't believe it I mean

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if you tow it the average person well

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there's a breakaway civilization

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consisting of rich people or the

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military-industrial complex or cult

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sympathizers whatever no one's gonna

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believe them oh we're just a bunch of

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wackos and that's what they count on and

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that's what they're able to bank on and

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that's reasonable I totally get why I

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mean there's people that are gonna hear

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this and say oh there's Bosley again

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he's so full of crap you know I'm not

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buying any of this and I get that I

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totally get that like I say it's just my

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personal you know opinion in position

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I'm in the camp that says yeah I think

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this is going on I've been convinced

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that something something very close to

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01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:47,520
what I you know I think what I'm

1612
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,460
describing here is going on quick

1613
01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:52,560
question here before we go on you've

1614
01:11:57,230 --> 01:11:55,320
written several books covering a variety

1615
01:11:59,570 --> 01:11:57,240
of subjects if we wanted to get some of

1616
01:12:01,070 --> 01:11:59,580
your stuff in writing about breakaway

1617
01:12:06,230 --> 01:12:01,080
civilizations which books would you

1618
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:06,240
recommend my best stuff where I venture

1619
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:09,840
into breakaway territory is where I

1620
01:12:15,170 --> 01:12:12,090
venture into breakaway civilization

1621
01:12:16,060 --> 01:12:15,180
territory and my work is in my empire of

1622
01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:16,070
the wheel

1623
01:12:27,129 --> 01:12:24,030
friends from Sonora I detail some of the

1624
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:27,139
German 19th century German background

1625
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,679
with the the older group and explain the

1626
01:12:35,629 --> 01:12:33,360
two factions I was talking about earlier

1627
01:12:37,970 --> 01:12:35,639
and in Empire the wheel three the

1628
01:12:42,529 --> 01:12:37,980
nameless ones where I talk about the

1629
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:42,539
nihms in YMCA the nimza stuff that gets

1630
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:45,449
into a a little bit more the breakaway

1631
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:48,420
civilization stuff and then also my

1632
01:12:54,350 --> 01:12:52,320
latest book secret missions to the Lost

1633
01:12:58,549 --> 01:12:54,360
expedition of Sir Richard Francis Burton

1634
01:13:01,549 --> 01:12:58,559
gets into some peripheral breakaway

1635
01:13:04,580 --> 01:13:01,559
issues what I'm trying to do is put

1636
01:13:07,729 --> 01:13:04,590
together a big picture in my books give

1637
01:13:11,470 --> 01:13:07,739
pieces of of that puzzle of what my big

1638
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,480
picture is my personal opinion in theory

1639
01:13:14,270 --> 01:13:13,199
all right

1640
01:13:15,649 --> 01:13:14,280
but the other question I would have

1641
01:13:18,020 --> 01:13:15,659
before we go on to some other

1642
01:13:21,589 --> 01:13:18,030
possibilities here is it's a fascinating

1643
01:13:23,930 --> 01:13:21,599
theory breakaway civilizations and there

1644
01:13:24,379 --> 01:13:23,940
are reasons to think it's really

1645
01:13:29,049 --> 01:13:24,389
happening

1646
01:13:32,419 --> 01:13:29,059
look can we prove it right now as such

1647
01:13:35,779 --> 01:13:32,429
with no not really I think all we can do

1648
01:13:38,689 --> 01:13:35,789
is present what we have and what we

1649
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:38,699
think is the strongest evidence and let

1650
01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:42,960
people decide for themselves I just I

1651
01:13:47,299 --> 01:13:45,300
don't think right now it's provable well

1652
01:13:54,589 --> 01:13:47,309
you've never been contacted by anyone

1653
01:13:57,890 --> 01:13:54,599
saying hey Shh not know I've never been

1654
01:14:00,140 --> 01:13:57,900
contacted by anyone told to stop talking

1655
01:14:02,060 --> 01:14:00,150
now we point out here for those who

1656
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:02,070
don't know his credentials he's a former

1657
01:14:08,209 --> 01:14:05,280
AF OSI agent and the former FBI

1658
01:14:10,339 --> 01:14:08,219
counterintelligence specialist so one

1659
01:14:11,660 --> 01:14:10,349
thing she be the kind of guy who get

1660
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:11,670
down and dirty with some of this stuff

1661
01:14:18,049 --> 01:14:15,570
right well coming from you know 18 years

1662
01:14:20,689 --> 01:14:18,059
in various aspects that would be

1663
01:14:23,089 --> 01:14:20,699
intelligence community there are certain

1664
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:23,099
things that yeah you know there's

1665
01:14:27,470 --> 01:14:24,560
certain

1666
01:14:31,940 --> 01:14:27,480
tactics that someone like me would

1667
01:14:35,570 --> 01:14:31,950
recognize there's a certain just ways of

1668
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:35,580
operating yeah you know there are

1669
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:38,850
certain things that you know you would

1670
01:14:44,660 --> 01:14:41,730
recognize but if it's not necessarily

1671
01:14:48,170 --> 01:14:44,670
the thing that's going to uncover the

1672
01:14:50,900 --> 01:14:48,180
smoking gun all the time it's just you

1673
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:50,910
know you see a little bit more a little

1674
01:14:56,300 --> 01:14:53,760
bit clearer than the average person but

1675
01:14:58,730 --> 01:14:56,310
you know the average person all I'd have

1676
01:15:00,500 --> 01:14:58,740
to do is say here's my perspective

1677
01:15:02,270 --> 01:15:00,510
here's you know here's the things I know

1678
01:15:03,020 --> 01:15:02,280
and they can easily because it's not

1679
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:03,030
rocket science

1680
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:05,010
they could easily comprehend it and go

1681
01:15:09,260 --> 01:15:07,890
okay yeah now I see this in a little bit

1682
01:15:12,230 --> 01:15:09,270
bigger and a little bit clearer picture

1683
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:12,240
like you do so you know that that's

1684
01:15:18,290 --> 01:15:15,540
really you know that's really where that

1685
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:18,300
comes in handy if that makes sense now

1686
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:20,730
we have some questions by the way from

1687
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:22,530
our audience that don't I've got the

1688
01:15:26,540 --> 01:15:24,570
power cast come in our next segment I'm

1689
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:26,550
gonna have God's ask you some of the

1690
01:15:29,930 --> 01:15:27,930
relevant questions but I want you to

1691
01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:29,940
think about one more aspect of so called

1692
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:32,670
breakaway civilizations and that is the

1693
01:15:38,690 --> 01:15:36,330
rumor or legend of a secret space

1694
01:15:41,290 --> 01:15:38,700
program that there is something else

1695
01:15:43,700 --> 01:15:41,300
going on and that when we cut back

1696
01:15:46,580 --> 01:15:43,710
beginning with the last moon landing

1697
01:15:49,100 --> 01:15:46,590
other research and developments

1698
01:15:51,410 --> 01:15:49,110
continued on in private

1699
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:51,420
so as we break why not consider some of

1700
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:53,310
the possibilities here if there is a

1701
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:55,770
secret space program does that mean that

1702
01:16:00,230 --> 01:15:57,930
we continue to explore the moon after

1703
01:16:02,090 --> 01:16:00,240
the official landings were over do we

1704
01:16:04,220 --> 01:16:02,100
have a base there do we send in

1705
01:16:06,350 --> 01:16:04,230
spaceships back and forth bringing

1706
01:16:08,060 --> 01:16:06,360
supplies that require something a little

1707
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:08,070
more advanced than what we had back in

1708
01:16:15,230 --> 01:16:11,910
the 1970s what about Mars have we

1709
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:15,240
actually sent humans to Mars not just

1710
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:17,040
space probes and we make a big deal

1711
01:16:22,940 --> 01:16:19,890
about the space probes but is it at all

1712
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:22,950
possible that we have sent humans to

1713
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:26,610
Mars one way trips are otherwise so many

1714
01:16:32,180 --> 01:16:29,520
possibilities Walter Bosley Cox Makai

1715
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Chris will join us later you're in the

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listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio they won't

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Walter Bosley jogs makai breakaway

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civilizations on the agenda so what

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01:21:24,540 --> 01:21:20,740
about the secret space program

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01:21:28,050 --> 01:21:24,550
ah yes absolutely I am convinced it

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exists it to me it makes sense that it

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exists I think that Apollo 11 was not

1828
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the first time we put an Apollo manned

1829
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:36,970
craft on the moon I think we did it

1830
01:21:42,510 --> 01:21:39,970
secretly to make sure we could do it

1831
01:21:44,010 --> 01:21:42,520
because remember Apollo 11 was quite the

1832
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dog-and-pony show for the whole world

1833
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and at that time when we're supposed to

1834
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be in a big Cold War and a lots at stake

1835
01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:52,510
for our reputation and such it does not

1836
01:21:58,140 --> 01:21:55,780
make operational sense to me that we

1837
01:22:00,180 --> 01:21:58,150
would for the first time ever attempt

1838
01:22:02,190 --> 01:22:00,190
this landing in front of the eyes of the

1839
01:22:05,250 --> 01:22:02,200
world when it could easily have gone

1840
01:22:06,570 --> 01:22:05,260
very wrong and our first attempt we

1841
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:06,580
could have killed those guys up there I

1842
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:10,480
think that we did it secretly with the

1843
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:12,970
same technology the same Apollo lander

1844
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:14,320
the whole thing I think we did it

1845
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:17,890
secretly first to make sure it would and

1846
01:22:24,510 --> 01:22:20,890
could work before we did Apollo 11 now

1847
01:22:25,980 --> 01:22:24,520
that's not to say that the Apollo 11

1848
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:25,990
mission or any of those other Apollo

1849
01:22:30,990 --> 01:22:28,030
missions were not as courageous and

1850
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:31,000
intrepid and as risky as as they were of

1851
01:22:36,690 --> 01:22:33,970
course every single of them was a risk

1852
01:22:38,820 --> 01:22:36,700
every single one of them was just an

1853
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:38,830
incredible act of courage for those

1854
01:22:42,930 --> 01:22:41,170
three guys in each case to do that I

1855
01:22:44,370 --> 01:22:42,940
said you don't believe in the theories

1856
01:22:47,670 --> 01:22:44,380
that some of these moon landings were

1857
01:22:49,260 --> 01:22:47,680
faked that there's your answer right

1858
01:22:52,860 --> 01:22:49,270
there that the moon landings were faked

1859
01:22:54,330 --> 01:22:52,870
I'm sorry that's nice but it's fun for

1860
01:22:56,370 --> 01:22:54,340
some people to talk about that but

1861
01:22:59,280 --> 01:22:56,380
there's no way in hell those own

1862
01:23:00,930 --> 01:22:59,290
landings know I'm not a bet theory so so

1863
01:23:03,450 --> 01:23:00,940
therefore Apollo we let

1864
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:03,460
was really Apollo 11 eight or just

1865
01:23:07,610 --> 01:23:05,650
Apollo 11 I mean the one that landed

1866
01:23:11,250 --> 01:23:07,620
could have been you know Apollo whatever

1867
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:11,260
Apollo X whatever the designator would

1868
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:13,690
be to me it just makes more operational

1869
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:14,770
sense that we would have done it

1870
01:23:18,150 --> 01:23:15,760
secretly

1871
01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:18,160
now think about why do I say this one of

1872
01:23:22,830 --> 01:23:20,110
the reasons without going into the whole

1873
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:22,840
thing to make him an Apollo 11 show one

1874
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:25,210
of the reasons is you know look at

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Armstrong Armstrong was a you know a

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professional but he was a to be the

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first man to set foot on the moon

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he was pretty really quiet you know I

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mean that's some serious humility there

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I argue that you know even if you're

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just all shucks folks I ain't nothing

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special you know you're gonna you're

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gonna allow yourself to be paraded out

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every year on the anniversary of that or

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01:23:52,050 --> 01:23:50,380
every tenth anniversary you know what

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01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:52,060
I'm saying you're the first man on the

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01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:54,610
moon and Neil Armstrong did not do that

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01:23:58,800 --> 01:23:57,130
in fact it's argued that he did quite

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01:24:01,160 --> 01:23:58,810
the opposite now I would say that's

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because the man being a professional

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let's say I'm right

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01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:04,660
well then therefore he and the other

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guys knew that they weren't the first so

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you know it's like hey don't don't

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traipse me around don't parade me around

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when you guys know you know I wasn't the

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first and again that does not take away

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from the accomplishment so that's just

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what I throw out there for something to

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consider okay somebody might have a

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completely different view you know a

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01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:33,040
Buzz Aldrin might want to punch me in

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01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:34,960
the mouth or something I don't know but

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01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:38,050
that's just something to consider but to

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01:24:41,340 --> 01:24:39,730
me it makes more operational sense that

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they wanted to make sure it could be

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done so after we stopped going to the

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moon what did we do really I think we've

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put boots on the ground on Mars I think

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we continued going to the moon I don't

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01:24:56,220 --> 01:24:54,580
think we stopped people say oh alter

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whoa wait a minute how can you say that

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you know well look you guys know I'm an

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Air Force officer reserved inactive and

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01:25:07,530 --> 01:25:05,739
you know I was an OSI agent while I was

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on active duty at one time I was

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stationed my first assignment was La Air

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Force Base and El Segundo that's

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essentially a Space Command rocket but

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you know

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design an engineering base and my

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personal opinion of the air force rocket

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program is this I say this to people

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outside this you don't know what

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01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:30,790
actually was in the payloads of those

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01:25:38,460 --> 01:25:33,850
payload containers okay unless you were

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part of every single mission not even

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the guys on the launch pad not dude

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would not necessarily know what was in a

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payload container it could very easily

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have been a manned pod and the Air Force

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could have been launching manned

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missions you know from Vandenberg all

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day long you know people looking at the

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launches oh how pretty

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and never known that they were putting

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people in space on board those rockets

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and then there's other you know there's

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other means so you know I I think Apollo

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the a manned space program in in the the

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01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:13,180
Apollo vein that the public knows about

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01:26:19,740 --> 01:26:16,930
that's that's that hasn't been our real

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01:26:23,070 --> 01:26:19,750
only space program for a long time if

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01:26:25,730 --> 01:26:23,080
ever well as our only one no I I don't

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01:26:28,230 --> 01:26:25,740
think that to me that does make sense

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01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:28,240
how do we go about proving that we have

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a more advanced presence on the moon on

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01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:33,130
Mars or whatever you're not going to

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01:26:37,410 --> 01:26:34,960
until you can build your own rocket and

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01:26:40,170 --> 01:26:37,420
get up there and look around that's as

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01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:40,180
far as proving it we can we guys like

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01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:41,710
you and me and other researchers it up

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01:26:47,610 --> 01:26:45,730
we cannot prove it you know unless you

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01:26:49,980 --> 01:26:47,620
know somebody put something in our laps

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01:26:52,830 --> 01:26:49,990
you know unless like if I were called to

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01:26:54,750 --> 01:26:52,840
the Pentagon hey dummy come in here you

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01:26:57,300 --> 01:26:54,760
go here's the incontrovertible proof

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01:26:58,110 --> 01:26:57,310
show everybody well yeah right that's

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not gonna happen

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short of that you got to build a rocket

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01:27:04,170 --> 01:27:02,260
go look at yourself right now they got

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01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:04,180
the upper hand on that because none of

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01:27:10,230 --> 01:27:07,450
us can get there but let me ask you here

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then why wouldn't we reveal some of this

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01:27:13,650 --> 01:27:11,620
because it certainly would put the

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01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:13,660
United States in a much better

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01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:15,370
bargaining position around the world

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01:27:20,010 --> 01:27:17,920
well maybe we are but maybe we're

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01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:20,020
revealing it in a little piecemeal way

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01:27:24,450 --> 01:27:22,480
that only those who need to be the

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01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:24,460
recipient of that message will

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understand and the reason that they kind

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01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:28,440
of keep it on the Qt

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01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:31,710
is because if we are showing it to them

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01:27:37,610 --> 01:27:34,560
showing hey we can look your Fanny any

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01:27:39,410 --> 01:27:37,620
other time don't get any ideas that

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01:27:40,580 --> 01:27:39,420
would be embarrassing to them right that

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01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:40,590
would be they don't want to admit that

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01:27:44,930 --> 01:27:43,050
so they're not gonna reveal that they're

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01:27:46,130 --> 01:27:44,940
just gonna kind of you know grumble

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01:27:48,620 --> 01:27:46,140
about it in their own corner

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01:27:50,270 --> 01:27:48,630
and try to catch up um or maybe they are

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01:27:53,410 --> 01:27:50,280
on the same level which brings us back

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01:27:55,820 --> 01:27:53,420
to what's really going on up there but

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01:27:58,610 --> 01:27:55,830
you know we don't know that it's not

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01:28:01,490 --> 01:27:58,620
being revealed in some way see that's

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01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:01,500
just it is we you can't nobody can

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01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,320
really say that it's not going on nobody

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01:28:07,250 --> 01:28:06,000
it's like the whole and I don't want to

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01:28:10,700 --> 01:28:07,260
get into this but it's like the whole

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01:28:13,100 --> 01:28:10,710
disclosure thing on et you know some

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01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:13,110
some of us think that's kind of they're

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01:28:18,530 --> 01:28:16,050
already starting to do that you know

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01:28:20,540 --> 01:28:18,540
starting that process but just cuz it's

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01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,550
not the classic okay everybody you know

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01:28:24,890 --> 01:28:22,560
here they are you know that's up to them

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01:28:27,229 --> 01:28:24,900
how that's done if that's going to be

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01:28:29,689 --> 01:28:27,239
done okay so we're talking here about

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01:28:32,420 --> 01:28:29,699
the fact that there still is a genuine

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01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:32,430
UFO a mystery something strange is going

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01:28:38,060 --> 01:28:35,280
on and we're gradually alerting people

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01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:38,070
to it and I've speculated well we

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01:28:42,860 --> 01:28:40,650
discover more earth-like planets around

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01:28:46,030 --> 01:28:42,870
other solar systems yeah we discover

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01:28:49,490 --> 01:28:46,040
water on Mars we see closer and closer

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01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:49,500
evidence that's accepted by science that

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01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:52,770
life is abundant a new universe and if

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01:28:59,020 --> 01:28:55,770
it is abundant in the universe the next

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01:29:02,660 --> 01:28:59,030
step is okay they came here mm-hmm and

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01:29:05,660 --> 01:29:02,670
actually let's let's put a finer point

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01:29:07,970 --> 01:29:05,670
on it we came here you know there's that

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01:29:12,500 --> 01:29:07,980
possibility that could be part of this

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01:29:17,900 --> 01:29:12,510
whole dirty little secret is that we

2014
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:17,910
came here we're not of here but you know

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01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:19,650
we're looking at the last episode of

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01:29:27,260 --> 01:29:22,800
Battlestar Galactica but very possible

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01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:27,270
yeah you know they land on earth and

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01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:29,370
they intermingle with the local

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01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:33,360
inhabitants yeah yeah that's possible

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01:29:35,930 --> 01:29:35,520
that's something to consider is what I'm

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01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:35,940
saying

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01:29:42,020 --> 01:29:39,449
could they are basically cohabiting with

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01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:42,030
the daughters of men the human race

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01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:44,610
existed here already that could be where

2025
01:29:49,939 --> 01:29:48,210
all that came from so therefore can we

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01:29:52,189 --> 01:29:49,949
think here and this goes back to the UFO

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01:29:54,620 --> 01:29:52,199
abduction thing that when we talk about

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01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:54,630
post possible hybrid races maybe those

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01:30:00,049 --> 01:29:57,210
who have abductions are experiencing

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01:30:02,959 --> 01:30:00,059
something in our racial memory going

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01:30:05,810 --> 01:30:02,969
back to our origins where that's kind of

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01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:05,820
what happened where et came here and

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01:30:11,359 --> 01:30:08,639
they were like us sufficiently so they

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01:30:14,990 --> 01:30:11,369
could get together and a real hybrid

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01:30:17,180 --> 01:30:15,000
race and we are the hybrids it's not

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01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:17,190
something that is gonna happen in the

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01:30:21,700 --> 01:30:20,159
future it's here it's now such as the

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01:30:24,020 --> 01:30:21,710
fact that we guide to our break and

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01:30:25,549 --> 01:30:24,030
we'll get to those questions our next

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segment because this is so fascinating

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we can do 12 more shows about it Walter

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Bosley GOx Makai you're in the u.s. s

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01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:55,970
this is Micah Hanks to the graylien

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01:34:59,899 --> 01:34:57,840
report and you're listening to a para

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01:35:06,270 --> 01:34:59,909
cast the gold standard of paranormal

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01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:11,080
Scottie love it beam me up

2146
01:35:15,790 --> 01:35:13,280
he never said by the way Captain Kirk

2147
01:35:18,490 --> 01:35:15,800
beam me up Scotty it was always Scotty

2148
01:35:20,710 --> 01:35:18,500
beam me up right right because he

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01:35:21,190 --> 01:35:20,720
wouldn't say his own name well Kirk to

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01:35:26,590 --> 01:35:21,200
enterprise

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01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:26,600
William Shatner by the way he and his

2152
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:28,610
cohorts who do the writing the actual

2153
01:35:34,330 --> 01:35:31,040
writing he's writing a biography of

2154
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:34,340
Leonard Nimoy hmm that'll be interesting

2155
01:35:38,350 --> 01:35:35,570
all right

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01:35:39,820 --> 01:35:38,360
gods before we go on any questions here

2157
01:35:42,750 --> 01:35:39,830
and there few in there and forms

2158
01:35:45,070 --> 01:35:42,760
relevant to where we've gone so far well

2159
01:35:47,950 --> 01:35:45,080
considering that this is at short notice

2160
01:35:52,180 --> 01:35:47,960
there was a couple of questions came in

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01:35:57,610 --> 01:35:52,190
at there the question Bank at the forum

2162
01:36:00,610 --> 01:35:57,620
dot the podcast calm so we have a

2163
01:36:05,290 --> 01:36:00,620
question from mr. fibula or fibula

2164
01:36:08,050 --> 01:36:05,300
that's for Walter and mr. fibula has

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01:36:12,250 --> 01:36:08,060
been he's joined only in July this year

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01:36:14,980 --> 01:36:12,260
and he was asking Walter how hard or

2167
01:36:17,620 --> 01:36:14,990
easy would it be for evidence trails to

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01:36:20,620 --> 01:36:17,630
be destroyed when it comes to secret

2169
01:36:22,750 --> 01:36:20,630
military government projects I have

2170
01:36:24,730 --> 01:36:22,760
heard people on the podcast suggest that

2171
01:36:27,940 --> 01:36:24,740
given the passage of time in certain

2172
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:27,950
polynomial or UFO cases evidence would

2173
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:29,810
have surfaced by now if they ever

2174
01:36:33,460 --> 01:36:31,730
actually happened so I think it's

2175
01:36:36,190 --> 01:36:33,470
basically what we've been talking about

2176
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:36,200
how is how are they managing to keep it

2177
01:36:41,050 --> 01:36:39,290
hidden why is it not surfacing well

2178
01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:41,060
again this goes back to some people

2179
01:36:47,860 --> 01:36:44,000
would argue who says hasn't surface so

2180
01:36:51,310 --> 01:36:47,870
it's not surfacing and in one way in the

2181
01:36:55,480 --> 01:36:51,320
advancement of you know technologies as

2182
01:36:57,580 --> 01:36:55,490
far as smearing the trail or or making

2183
01:37:00,490 --> 01:36:57,590
the trail murky I would think that that

2184
01:37:03,610 --> 01:37:00,500
any easier than people think it's just a

2185
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:03,620
matter of going back and looking at okay

2186
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:06,850
what trail have we you know have we left

2187
01:37:12,670 --> 01:37:09,890
what can we do to kind of muddy these

2188
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:12,680
waters up or can we just get rid of this

2189
01:37:19,729 --> 01:37:15,650
thing over here let's just get rid of it

2190
01:37:22,970 --> 01:37:19,739
now I came to a a

2191
01:37:26,899 --> 01:37:22,980
but when I was on active duty in OSI

2192
01:37:30,250 --> 01:37:26,909
they might not have had to muddy the

2193
01:37:32,779 --> 01:37:30,260
waters or cover the trail because

2194
01:37:35,930 --> 01:37:32,789
there's the issue of proprietary

2195
01:37:39,140 --> 01:37:35,940
material now when the government creates

2196
01:37:41,450 --> 01:37:39,150
a technology and spends our resources we

2197
01:37:43,729 --> 01:37:41,460
the people theoretically own that so

2198
01:37:46,489 --> 01:37:43,739
therefore the trail of what they spent

2199
01:37:49,459 --> 01:37:46,499
and who they you know paid it to and how

2200
01:37:51,049 --> 01:37:49,469
this was created and on so forth you

2201
01:37:53,089 --> 01:37:51,059
know there's got to be a trail for that

2202
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:53,099
you know the so called paper trail right

2203
01:37:56,989 --> 01:37:54,960
because they have to answer to the

2204
01:37:59,839 --> 01:37:56,999
people so to speak I'm doing quotation

2205
01:38:02,390 --> 01:37:59,849
marks however oh and that has to be

2206
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:02,400
disclosed after a sufficient matter of

2207
01:38:06,109 --> 01:38:04,050
time even if at one time you know is

2208
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:06,119
classified for whatever reason unless it

2209
01:38:10,669 --> 01:38:08,130
continues to be classified now with

2210
01:38:12,799 --> 01:38:10,679
proprietary material when a private

2211
01:38:15,410 --> 01:38:12,809
corporation develops something or owns

2212
01:38:18,890 --> 01:38:15,420
some information that's proprietary it

2213
01:38:21,979 --> 01:38:18,900
does not fall under the constitutional

2214
01:38:24,529 --> 01:38:21,989
or regulatory guidelines which require

2215
01:38:27,279 --> 01:38:24,539
that it be disclosed that's proprietary

2216
01:38:29,540 --> 01:38:27,289
they never have to reveal that

2217
01:38:33,379 --> 01:38:29,550
information or material to the public

2218
01:38:34,910 --> 01:38:33,389
and therefore based on that when I was

2219
01:38:37,790 --> 01:38:34,920
an OSI agent when I was in the Air Force

2220
01:38:43,189 --> 01:38:37,800
um I came to the conclusion that years

2221
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:43,199
ago they put the custodianship of the

2222
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:45,570
knowledge of these things in the hands

2223
01:38:50,359 --> 01:38:48,239
of private companies contracted by the

2224
01:38:53,299 --> 01:38:50,369
government so that it would give them

2225
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:53,309
culpable deniability gosh people there

2226
01:38:58,600 --> 01:38:56,159
is no trail to this why because it's

2227
01:39:01,580 --> 01:38:58,610
been the private contract company and

2228
01:39:04,189 --> 01:39:01,590
that is technically their proprietary

2229
01:39:06,620 --> 01:39:04,199
material so they don't they don't have

2230
01:39:09,049 --> 01:39:06,630
to hide the paper trail it's not

2231
01:39:12,979 --> 01:39:09,059
required by law to be hidden it's just

2232
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:12,989
in the files of that company now as far

2233
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:15,840
as it you know leaking out or emerging

2234
01:39:20,089 --> 01:39:18,480
again I go back to you know there's all

2235
01:39:21,739 --> 01:39:20,099
sorts of people talking about stuff and

2236
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:21,749
point to things saying well you know

2237
01:39:27,919 --> 01:39:24,690
there's there's a piece of evidence for

2238
01:39:30,529 --> 01:39:27,929
it there's you know a place where you

2239
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:30,539
know is this actually evidence you know

2240
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:33,050
of this going on is this

2241
01:39:38,770 --> 01:39:36,320
of you know et presence or disclosure is

2242
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:38,780
this evidence of a breakaway you could

2243
01:39:43,090 --> 01:39:41,090
go on and on you know in that regard so

2244
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:43,100
I've got something I think it's relevant

2245
01:39:50,850 --> 01:39:46,810
to mention in here and that is in the

2246
01:39:54,450 --> 01:39:50,860
1950s you could read in aviation

2247
01:39:57,820 --> 01:39:54,460
technical journals about research into

2248
01:40:00,820 --> 01:39:57,830
anti-gravity and then it just suddenly

2249
01:40:04,180 --> 01:40:00,830
completely dropped off the radar and

2250
01:40:06,610 --> 01:40:04,190
never surfaced again and I believe Nick

2251
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:06,620
cook in his book the hunt for zero-point

2252
01:40:12,430 --> 01:40:09,650
I think he really you know humand in on

2253
01:40:16,810 --> 01:40:12,440
this particular point and that may have

2254
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:16,820
been the start of it going into going

2255
01:40:21,070 --> 01:40:19,010
into private ownership of the

2256
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:21,080
military-industrial complex of the

2257
01:40:26,230 --> 01:40:23,600
aerospace companies and then yeah the

2258
01:40:29,790 --> 01:40:26,240
trail was cold as well because there's

2259
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:29,800
you know there's no foi foi a

2260
01:40:35,380 --> 01:40:32,960
possibility or you know it just we have

2261
01:40:36,850 --> 01:40:35,390
no right to this information and I think

2262
01:40:41,050 --> 01:40:36,860
that's what happened to anti-gravity

2263
01:40:43,450 --> 01:40:41,060
research yeah yeah certainly post-world

2264
01:40:46,510 --> 01:40:43,460
War two ERA I would agree with you

2265
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:46,520
that's that's a factor that's part of

2266
01:40:52,150 --> 01:40:49,250
the whole whole milieu because remember

2267
01:40:54,940 --> 01:40:52,160
in my bigger theory that you know these

2268
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:54,950
breakaways and their technology began to

2269
01:41:01,360 --> 01:40:57,440
emerge in the 19th century see and that

2270
01:41:04,570 --> 01:41:01,370
includes the development of the

2271
01:41:08,530 --> 01:41:04,580
antigravity or you know some type of

2272
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:08,540
lift other than traditional was going on

2273
01:41:13,570 --> 01:41:10,880
but yes certainly in the post-world War

2274
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:13,580
two ERA as far as the entities we know

2275
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:15,530
about meaning Department of Defense

2276
01:41:21,940 --> 01:41:19,330
United States Air Force NASA and such

2277
01:41:26,440 --> 01:41:21,950
yes certainly I would agree with you

2278
01:41:28,540 --> 01:41:26,450
it's they they figured this out in the

2279
01:41:30,730 --> 01:41:28,550
you're right in the 50s certainly by the

2280
01:41:32,650 --> 01:41:30,740
60s and 70s it was like hey let's just

2281
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:32,660
put all this in the hands of the private

2282
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:34,970
contract company they're contracted to

2283
01:41:39,820 --> 01:41:37,250
us we have access to it whenever we

2284
01:41:42,430 --> 01:41:39,830
wanted but they own it so therefore we

2285
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:42,440
have culpable deniability to me that's

2286
01:41:46,770 --> 01:41:45,440
what makes sense and even more relevant

2287
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:46,780
questions god

2288
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:51,370
um okay well kind of them this is this

2289
01:41:56,300 --> 01:41:53,290
is one I've got a question here from

2290
01:42:00,540 --> 01:41:56,310
techno mage who's been posting since

2291
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:00,550
December of 2012 so we got past that

2292
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:03,760
date anyway and it's for Walter what

2293
01:42:08,340 --> 01:42:05,920
would be the best book of yours to read

2294
01:42:10,620 --> 01:42:08,350
for someone who has limited time to read

2295
01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:10,630
something concise and compelling would

2296
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:14,710
be ideal I would say Empire the wheel

2297
01:42:23,670 --> 01:42:18,850
two friends from Sonora and the secret

2298
01:42:25,530 --> 01:42:23,680
missions books those would be secret

2299
01:42:28,170 --> 01:42:25,540
missions one and two the the one about

2300
01:42:31,380 --> 01:42:28,180
hidden legacy of old California isn't

2301
01:42:34,530 --> 01:42:31,390
just a book about just California it

2302
01:42:37,050 --> 01:42:34,540
gets into these things but em for the

2303
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:37,060
wheel two friends from Sonora definitely

2304
01:42:43,110 --> 01:42:39,610
would be your number one choice on this

2305
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:43,120
stuff we're talking about the Empire of

2306
01:42:49,170 --> 01:42:44,770
the wheel books they don't have to be

2307
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:49,180
read in order well yeah

2308
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:53,890
it's best because I will not rewrite the

2309
01:42:58,620 --> 01:42:56,290
previous book in the next one - to make

2310
01:43:00,630 --> 01:42:58,630
it easier for readers Empire the wheel

2311
01:43:04,580 --> 01:43:00,640
one is the thickest of the three and

2312
01:43:07,230 --> 01:43:04,590
Empire wheel to necessarily refers to

2313
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:07,240
certain elements and aspects of Empire

2314
01:43:13,140 --> 01:43:10,000
the wheel one it has to because some of

2315
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:13,150
the people that it deals with you have

2316
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:15,520
to understand you know the events and

2317
01:43:20,610 --> 01:43:17,530
Empire the wheel one to know who I'm

2318
01:43:23,610 --> 01:43:20,620
talking about as far as within their

2319
01:43:27,390 --> 01:43:23,620
context of this Empire the wheel mystery

2320
01:43:30,210 --> 01:43:27,400
so yeah it's best to you know if you

2321
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:30,220
want the big full picture to have you

2322
01:43:36,270 --> 01:43:32,970
know Empire the wheel one they're handy

2323
01:43:38,940 --> 01:43:36,280
but as far as you know what we're

2324
01:43:42,930 --> 01:43:38,950
talking about today if you want to have

2325
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:42,940
a good starter to jump in and part of

2326
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:45,280
the wheel - has material that you know

2327
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:48,250
is a different direction than I thought

2328
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:50,560
this mystery was going when I when Rick

2329
01:43:57,480 --> 01:43:54,400
Spence and I did first one so do you

2330
01:44:00,900 --> 01:43:57,490
have much crossover with the material of

2331
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:00,910
it Joseph Ferrell oh I

2332
01:44:05,729 --> 01:44:04,000
you know when you say crossover you know

2333
01:44:07,890 --> 01:44:05,739
I'm assuming you know the questioner

2334
01:44:10,979 --> 01:44:07,900
means you know do I cover some of the

2335
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:10,989
same stuff yes this is me asking

2336
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:16,210
actually oh okay yeah y-yes you'll when

2337
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:17,890
you read my books you'll notice that I

2338
01:44:25,010 --> 01:44:21,520
reference Joseph Farrow a lot where it's

2339
01:44:29,670 --> 01:44:25,020
pertinent I don't do it just to do it

2340
01:44:31,770 --> 01:44:29,680
but yeah absolutely his research in fact

2341
01:44:34,440 --> 01:44:31,780
he's told me he'll tell you that I

2342
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:34,450
filled in some you know historical

2343
01:44:41,610 --> 01:44:37,290
background on on the stuff he looks at

2344
01:44:44,670 --> 01:44:41,620
he you know he has found that my work in

2345
01:44:48,750 --> 01:44:44,680
the 19th century stuff particularly the

2346
01:44:54,030 --> 01:44:48,760
German involvement and such he finds to

2347
01:44:56,940 --> 01:44:54,040
be very pertinent and in very valid so

2348
01:44:58,890 --> 01:44:56,950
if you like what he wrote about what was

2349
01:45:01,560 --> 01:44:58,900
going on particularly with the 20th

2350
01:45:05,130 --> 01:45:01,570
century Germans as regards like the Mel

2351
01:45:07,020 --> 01:45:05,140
technology and the stuff you'll you'll

2352
01:45:10,860 --> 01:45:07,030
like where Empire the wheel two friends

2353
01:45:13,620 --> 01:45:10,870
from Sonora goes because it it fits yes

2354
01:45:15,390 --> 01:45:13,630
this fist so we've got to our break here

2355
01:45:17,070 --> 01:45:15,400
got more questions from our listeners

2356
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:17,080
and I have a few more questions to ask

2357
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:19,930
about the secret space program ultra

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Bosley with gongs Makai you're in the

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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2406
01:47:29,390 --> 01:47:27,390
and so much more and this is the source

2407
01:47:31,550 --> 01:47:29,400
for them to meet and share that common

2408
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:31,560
interest Society for free at paranormal

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01:47:37,310 --> 01:47:35,130
DICOM paranormal date calm and use the

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01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:37,320
code George if you decide to connect

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01:47:45,500 --> 01:47:40,130
with someone EULA

2412
01:47:53,540 --> 01:47:49,229
welcome back into the para cast the gold

2413
01:48:00,380 --> 01:47:53,550
standard of paranormal radio and now

2414
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:03,660
we have Cox Makai as my guest co-host

2415
01:48:08,850 --> 01:48:05,770
with Walter Bosley author of a number of

2416
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:08,860
books on fascinating subjects and he's

2417
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:10,570
the kind of person that you start and a

2418
01:48:16,020 --> 01:48:13,690
discussion and you can't stop so a

2419
01:48:18,900 --> 01:48:16,030
little bit farther back we were talking

2420
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:18,910
about the secret space program so you

2421
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:21,280
said we made further trips to the moon

2422
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:24,730
we're on Mars do I have so a base on

2423
01:48:29,670 --> 01:48:27,250
Mars or just paid a few visits I'm gonna

2424
01:48:34,260 --> 01:48:29,680
go as far as saying that I'm convinced I

2425
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:34,270
think we have you know put boots on the

2426
01:48:43,229 --> 01:48:39,040
ground now there is a legend that I'm

2427
01:48:45,870 --> 01:48:43,239
looking at in my research that writer

2428
01:48:49,500 --> 01:48:45,880
researcher Shawn Castile has written

2429
01:48:53,190 --> 01:48:49,510
about and others about an alleged 1908

2430
01:48:56,150 --> 01:48:53,200
trip to Mars involving Tesla technology

2431
01:48:59,459 --> 01:48:56,160
now the reason I'm looking at this is

2432
01:49:02,670 --> 01:48:59,469
because it would resonate with my

2433
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:02,680
opinion of this this break away from the

2434
01:49:05,940 --> 01:49:04,210
breakaway that I was talking about

2435
01:49:08,430 --> 01:49:05,950
earlier and then I get into in my books

2436
01:49:11,450 --> 01:49:08,440
this what I call team Sonora the

2437
01:49:14,190 --> 01:49:11,460
American group that broke off in the

2438
01:49:17,220 --> 01:49:14,200
1870s and was responsible

2439
01:49:19,290 --> 01:49:17,230
I think I'm mrs. my theory responsible

2440
01:49:22,050 --> 01:49:19,300
for the 1890s ownership mystery it makes

2441
01:49:24,180 --> 01:49:22,060
sense to me that if anybody went or

2442
01:49:26,490 --> 01:49:24,190
attempted to go off planet go to Mars in

2443
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:26,500
1908 my opinion it would be these guys

2444
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:29,410
so that's why I'm looking at it but

2445
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:30,850
right now I'm just at the point where

2446
01:49:35,300 --> 01:49:32,850
I'm still looking at it so I have no

2447
01:49:38,940 --> 01:49:35,310
conclusions or tidbits to offer on that

2448
01:49:41,370 --> 01:49:38,950
so why do I bring that up well here's

2449
01:49:44,670 --> 01:49:41,380
the thing theoretically let's say they

2450
01:49:49,020 --> 01:49:44,680
did that might imply that there is more

2451
01:49:51,540 --> 01:49:49,030
of a presence on Mars then we would be

2452
01:49:55,229 --> 01:49:51,550
aware of you know you're just sounding

2453
01:49:57,180 --> 01:49:55,239
here like a Jules Verne novel that's

2454
01:49:58,410 --> 01:49:57,190
what the material certainly sounds like

2455
01:50:00,660 --> 01:49:58,420
uh-huh

2456
01:50:02,729 --> 01:50:00,670
I'm also thinking here when we talk

2457
01:50:05,370 --> 01:50:02,739
about breakaway civilizations getting

2458
01:50:08,250 --> 01:50:05,380
back on earth I'm thinking Edgar Rice

2459
01:50:12,060 --> 01:50:08,260
Burroughs wrote the Palouse etre novels

2460
01:50:14,310 --> 01:50:12,070
yes civilizations within the Hollow

2461
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:14,320
Earth of course he is the early legends

2462
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:18,250
of Hollow Earth but let's take it there

2463
01:50:25,110 --> 01:50:22,000
let's set aside the Mars colony or

2464
01:50:28,020 --> 01:50:25,120
wherever it might be what about inside

2465
01:50:30,419 --> 01:50:28,030
the earth all this Hollow Earth stuff do

2466
01:50:32,700 --> 01:50:30,429
you think it's real personally I'd like

2467
01:50:35,610 --> 01:50:32,710
to think it's real I've been very

2468
01:50:38,130 --> 01:50:35,620
personally interested in that whole

2469
01:50:42,030 --> 01:50:38,140
thing those who have heard me before

2470
01:50:44,189 --> 01:50:42,040
know that I'm I wrote an article that

2471
01:50:46,770 --> 01:50:44,199
appeared in fate magazine and it's in

2472
01:50:50,370 --> 01:50:46,780
their hardcover book called the best of

2473
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:50,380
Roswell in which aya told my father's

2474
01:50:54,990 --> 01:50:52,690
account when he was in the Air Force of

2475
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:55,000
his encounter with the people from the

2476
01:50:59,880 --> 01:50:56,890
underground which he swore till the day

2477
01:51:01,770 --> 01:50:59,890
he died was true and I wrote that for

2478
01:51:03,780 --> 01:51:01,780
the record I I wrote that under my

2479
01:51:05,610 --> 01:51:03,790
fiction pseudonym ei guessed because at

2480
01:51:07,770 --> 01:51:05,620
the time I was employed under a

2481
01:51:09,930 --> 01:51:07,780
sensitive contract and it really would

2482
01:51:12,660 --> 01:51:09,940
have been inappropriate for me to be

2483
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:12,670
public as a writer when I wrote that at

2484
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:15,489
that time that's me that's the article I

2485
01:51:20,970 --> 01:51:18,130
wrote and that's about my dad so I have

2486
01:51:23,070 --> 01:51:20,980
a horse in that race you might say but

2487
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:23,080
you know what there's over the years

2488
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:25,570
there's been some things that you know I

2489
01:51:28,620 --> 01:51:27,130
might have been intrigued with as

2490
01:51:30,660 --> 01:51:28,630
evidence and then you find out now

2491
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:30,670
there's nothing to that but there

2492
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:32,890
there's still what intrigues me about

2493
01:51:38,790 --> 01:51:35,920
that idea is that we have barely

2494
01:51:41,070 --> 01:51:38,800
scratched the surface on how deep for

2495
01:51:45,290 --> 01:51:41,080
instance we've drilled into the planet

2496
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:45,300
and so you know we we don't exactly know

2497
01:51:50,430 --> 01:51:48,250
really when I say we the science and

2498
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:50,440
technical world we don't exactly know

2499
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:52,480
what's there because we you know we

2500
01:51:59,070 --> 01:51:55,840
haven't gone that deep so to speak so it

2501
01:52:01,979 --> 01:51:59,080
leaves a lot of room you know for some

2502
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:01,989
good healthy speculation and then when

2503
01:52:07,260 --> 01:52:04,330
you look at the ancient lore and all

2504
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:07,270
this weird stuff associated with people

2505
01:52:11,410 --> 01:52:09,290
and other things emerging from

2506
01:52:13,980 --> 01:52:11,420
cavern systems and such you gotta wonder

2507
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:13,990
what if anything is the nugget of truth

2508
01:52:20,170 --> 01:52:17,930
to this and and and and I'm a big nugget

2509
01:52:22,090 --> 01:52:20,180
of truth guy just like in the UFO world

2510
01:52:24,190 --> 01:52:22,100
we know this things get wildly

2511
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:24,200
exaggerated based on hopes and dreams

2512
01:52:30,910 --> 01:52:27,530
and almost religious you know obsession

2513
01:52:33,730 --> 01:52:30,920
with things and just okay so ray Palmer

2514
01:52:36,700 --> 01:52:33,740
during the 60s particularly continuing

2515
01:52:38,170 --> 01:52:36,710
into the 70s said just as Edgar Rice

2516
01:52:40,690 --> 01:52:38,180
Burroughs did at the turn of the century

2517
01:52:43,150 --> 01:52:40,700
there were holes at the North and South

2518
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:43,160
Pole after you passed over them you can

2519
01:52:48,430 --> 01:52:45,920
go inside the Hollow Earth what's your

2520
01:52:50,650 --> 01:52:48,440
perception Walter Bosley I think the

2521
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:50,660
idea of the hole at the North Pole has

2522
01:52:56,710 --> 01:52:54,800
been satisfactorily disproven but you

2523
01:52:58,720 --> 01:52:56,720
know you hear stories about Antarctica

2524
01:53:00,520 --> 01:52:58,730
yeah you know there's a lot of writers

2525
01:53:02,590 --> 01:53:00,530
and researchers out there that you know

2526
01:53:04,150 --> 01:53:02,600
wonder if there's not you know possibly

2527
01:53:07,630 --> 01:53:04,160
some entrance down there you hear

2528
01:53:09,820 --> 01:53:07,640
stories of a big old giant hole or huge

2529
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:09,830
immense cavern system that's been found

2530
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:13,850
down there so you know I would say any

2531
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:17,360
any hole so to speak would be more like

2532
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:20,810
a cavern type of entrance that you know

2533
01:53:25,870 --> 01:53:22,130
certainly could have been developed

2534
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:25,880
further by a human hand but shades of

2535
01:53:32,020 --> 01:53:30,080
Richard shaver yeah exactly exactly you

2536
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:32,030
know the thing about all of this is it's

2537
01:53:36,820 --> 01:53:33,770
just like with UFOs you got a lot of

2538
01:53:39,580 --> 01:53:36,830
lore a lot of wishful thinking that gets

2539
01:53:43,480 --> 01:53:39,590
mixed in with what might be the good

2540
01:53:45,730 --> 01:53:43,490
evidence and it ends up you know we come

2541
01:53:47,770 --> 01:53:45,740
back down to what the individual

2542
01:53:50,590 --> 01:53:47,780
personally wants to think our conclude

2543
01:53:51,490 --> 01:53:50,600
about it short of going there and seeing

2544
01:53:54,850 --> 01:53:51,500
for yourself

2545
01:53:57,100 --> 01:53:54,860
and I'm a strong advocate of that you

2546
01:53:59,230 --> 01:53:57,110
know go see for yourself

2547
01:54:03,970 --> 01:53:59,240
so of course the theory that Richard

2548
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:03,980
shaver presented was that the survivors

2549
01:54:10,480 --> 01:54:07,130
of an ancient civilization that departed

2550
01:54:12,220 --> 01:54:10,490
earth went into the caves to protect

2551
01:54:15,340 --> 01:54:12,230
themselves against dangerous radiation

2552
01:54:17,590 --> 01:54:15,350
by the Sun we have the good guys being

2553
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:17,600
the heroes and the bad guys being the

2554
01:54:23,190 --> 01:54:21,410
DeRose uh-huh now to be fair if you look

2555
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:23,200
at the biographies it came out

2556
01:54:29,940 --> 01:54:25,330
Ray Palmer and talking about shaver

2557
01:54:33,630 --> 01:54:29,950
shaver you know had problems he was

2558
01:54:36,930 --> 01:54:33,640
supposedly mentally ill schizophrenic or

2559
01:54:38,580 --> 01:54:36,940
something and that he made it all up but

2560
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:38,590
then you know there was a lot going on

2561
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:41,890
there that isn't so readily dismissed

2562
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:44,050
because a lot of it relates to these

2563
01:54:51,900 --> 01:54:48,250
legends right right and and I would say

2564
01:54:55,140 --> 01:54:51,910
this here's how I classify a shaver

2565
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:55,150
material and in like material if you're

2566
01:54:58,800 --> 01:54:57,520
gonna pack up your backpack put on your

2567
01:55:02,420 --> 01:54:58,810
expedition clothes

2568
01:55:05,370 --> 01:55:02,430
your expedition boots and go looking for

2569
01:55:08,580 --> 01:55:05,380
these entrances into the the Hollow

2570
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:08,590
Earth what you would do is you would

2571
01:55:16,770 --> 01:55:14,080
hopefully base it on this more nugget of

2572
01:55:19,650 --> 01:55:16,780
truth type information but you might

2573
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:19,660
take the shaver book I remember Lemuria

2574
01:55:23,340 --> 01:55:21,370
I believe it's titled you might take a

2575
01:55:26,130 --> 01:55:23,350
cop to throw a copy of that in your

2576
01:55:27,690 --> 01:55:26,140
backpack just in case you come across

2577
01:55:29,580 --> 01:55:27,700
something you go you know what I think

2578
01:55:31,740 --> 01:55:29,590
shaver might have mentioned this so you

2579
01:55:34,020 --> 01:55:31,750
could refer to it but you wouldn't use

2580
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:34,030
it as your main guide book does that

2581
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:36,010
make sense you know and that's the way I

2582
01:55:40,170 --> 01:55:37,810
look at the lore keep it in your hip

2583
01:55:43,740 --> 01:55:40,180
pocket because there might be something

2584
01:55:46,230 --> 01:55:43,750
in the lore that you know will help you

2585
01:55:49,170 --> 01:55:46,240
but for the most part don't use the lore

2586
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:49,180
or the questionable stuff as your main

2587
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:52,330
map yes they are in mine here I remember

2588
01:55:57,660 --> 01:55:54,090
Lemuria

2589
01:56:00,720 --> 01:55:57,670
was a fictionalized version that Ray

2590
01:56:04,290 --> 01:56:00,730
Palmer wrote based on the material from

2591
01:56:04,710 --> 01:56:04,300
Shafer now as a ricin there's no I knew

2592
01:56:08,610 --> 01:56:04,720
Palmer

2593
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:08,620
I knew shaver I visited Schaefer at his

2594
01:56:14,670 --> 01:56:11,290
home I visited Palmer at his homes goes

2595
01:56:16,860 --> 01:56:14,680
back to the 60s and 70s and whatever

2596
01:56:18,570 --> 01:56:16,870
else you think about Richard shaver and

2597
01:56:21,330 --> 01:56:18,580
maybe he was in the mental institution

2598
01:56:22,740 --> 01:56:21,340
for a number of years and supposedly he

2599
01:56:26,220 --> 01:56:22,750
was railroaded there that's one of the

2600
01:56:28,110 --> 01:56:26,230
theories - and the books that you know

2601
01:56:30,210 --> 01:56:28,120
he was hearing these voices from these

2602
01:56:32,850 --> 01:56:30,220
other entities and therefore he must

2603
01:56:35,940 --> 01:56:32,860
have been crazy regardless the Richard

2604
01:56:36,850 --> 01:56:35,950
shaver that I wrote to for years and the

2605
01:56:40,620 --> 01:56:36,860
Richard shaver that

2606
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:40,630
Mette came across as a pretty sane guy

2607
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:42,770
that doesn't mean anything because I'm

2608
01:56:47,590 --> 01:56:44,570
not a psychiatrist maybe I'm not seeing

2609
01:56:49,359 --> 01:56:47,600
the science or maybe it with medication

2610
01:56:53,229 --> 01:56:49,369
he was able to keep it under control I

2611
01:56:57,120 --> 01:56:53,239
do not know but I'd say this something

2612
01:57:00,280 --> 01:56:57,130
happened to him that he tried to convey

2613
01:57:02,700 --> 01:57:00,290
right in his various writings the

2614
01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:02,710
problem is filtered through Ray Palmer

2615
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:07,130
what you see there has been done and

2616
01:57:14,229 --> 01:57:11,210
redesigned and reconfigured to serve the

2617
01:57:15,669 --> 01:57:14,239
audience of a fiction magazine because

2618
01:57:17,979 --> 01:57:15,679
when Palmer said you know this is based

2619
01:57:20,229 --> 01:57:17,989
on fact people said I it's amazing

2620
01:57:22,180 --> 01:57:20,239
stories you can't do that what we can do

2621
01:57:24,340 --> 01:57:22,190
is tell you we have Walter Bosley we

2622
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have God's Makai we even have Chris

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O'Brien and Chris now you can do it

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2729
02:02:05,439 --> 02:02:02,750
joined us he was running late from an

2730
02:02:07,510 --> 02:02:05,449
appointment but what to say we've been

2731
02:02:09,610 --> 02:02:07,520
talking with Walter Bosley about

2732
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:09,620
breakaway civilizations getting into the

2733
02:02:13,930 --> 02:02:11,690
Hollow Earth and the shaper mystery with

2734
02:02:15,220 --> 02:02:13,940
aux McKay our guest co-host Chris you

2735
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:15,230
are dropping something before we

2736
02:02:19,180 --> 02:02:17,330
continue well you know I would like to

2737
02:02:22,860 --> 02:02:19,190
to mention a few things that you know

2738
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:22,870
again I mentioned these pretty curious

2739
02:02:29,140 --> 02:02:26,890
kind of what-if scenarios and in claims

2740
02:02:33,100 --> 02:02:29,150
several times over the years on the show

2741
02:02:35,200 --> 02:02:33,110
one being the grandfather of my guitar

2742
02:02:36,100 --> 02:02:35,210
player in my band laughing Buddha in

2743
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:36,110
Colorado

2744
02:02:42,580 --> 02:02:39,050
his grandfather was an underground

2745
02:02:44,890 --> 02:02:42,590
demolitions worker and he was helping

2746
02:02:47,500 --> 02:02:44,900
expand the Los Alamos lab on the ground

2747
02:02:50,470 --> 02:02:47,510
like fifties and sixties he was helping

2748
02:02:52,209 --> 02:02:50,480
expand Los Alamos on the ground of

2749
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:52,219
course there are tons of laven tubes and

2750
02:02:57,010 --> 02:02:54,770
natural formations underground because

2751
02:02:58,870 --> 02:02:57,020
of the caldera of the supervolcano that

2752
02:03:01,830 --> 02:02:58,880
that's right behind Los Alamos to the

2753
02:03:04,660 --> 02:03:01,840
web anyway he was working with his four

2754
02:03:07,209 --> 02:03:04,670
co-workers when they broke into what

2755
02:03:10,540 --> 02:03:07,219
they did what he described as an ancient

2756
02:03:13,110 --> 02:03:10,550
underground tunnel system and they could

2757
02:03:15,729 --> 02:03:13,120
tell by the amount of mineralization and

2758
02:03:18,750 --> 02:03:15,739
you know just various other ways that

2759
02:03:20,450 --> 02:03:18,760
you can determine the age of underground

2760
02:03:22,959 --> 02:03:20,460
tunneling that sort of

2761
02:03:26,390 --> 02:03:22,969
he estimated that it was at least and

2762
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:26,400
10,000 years old they began to follow

2763
02:03:30,890 --> 02:03:29,010
the tunnel that they had broken into to

2764
02:03:34,580 --> 02:03:30,900
the south and they got to a point where

2765
02:03:35,330 --> 02:03:34,590
it actually branched off one branch was

2766
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:35,340
headed

2767
02:03:39,020 --> 02:03:37,290
apparently towards Albuquerque in the

2768
02:03:42,650 --> 02:03:39,030
Sandia's what the other branch was

2769
02:03:46,250 --> 02:03:42,660
headed further west and south towards

2770
02:03:47,720 --> 02:03:46,260
what they thought was Mount Taylor which

2771
02:03:49,130 --> 02:03:47,730
coincidentally is a sacred mountain to

2772
02:03:51,020 --> 02:03:49,140
the south to the Pueblo Indians blah

2773
02:03:52,610 --> 02:03:51,030
blah blah they got to a certain point

2774
02:03:55,100 --> 02:03:52,620
and they realized that they didn't turn

2775
02:03:57,740 --> 02:03:55,110
around right there and go back the way

2776
02:04:00,320 --> 02:03:57,750
they came they would be late clocking

2777
02:04:02,690 --> 02:04:00,330
out for the for the day's work and of

2778
02:04:04,940 --> 02:04:02,700
course when they got back he mentioned

2779
02:04:07,220 --> 02:04:04,950
the discovery to the supervisor he's

2780
02:04:09,979 --> 02:04:07,230
pretty excited about it and they were

2781
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:09,989
immediately separated they were split up

2782
02:04:14,840 --> 02:04:13,050
and put into different groups they they

2783
02:04:17,600 --> 02:04:14,850
were told not to talk to anybody about

2784
02:04:19,729 --> 02:04:17,610
it he has no I he had no idea at the

2785
02:04:22,160 --> 02:04:19,739
time that the story was related he had

2786
02:04:25,850 --> 02:04:22,170
no idea what happened after that he was

2787
02:04:27,950 --> 02:04:25,860
never exposed to that again he didn't

2788
02:04:30,410 --> 02:04:27,960
hear anything more about it but one of

2789
02:04:32,740 --> 02:04:30,420
the interesting things that uh there's a

2790
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:32,750
kind of a postscript to this whole thing

2791
02:04:38,870 --> 02:04:36,410
the team that he was assigned to was

2792
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:38,880
tunneling towards the Hickory Apache

2793
02:04:44,090 --> 02:04:42,090
reservation now result and I was unable

2794
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:44,100
to get more information from him about

2795
02:04:48,020 --> 02:04:46,410
that I don't think he was on that crew

2796
02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:48,030
for too long

2797
02:04:52,459 --> 02:04:50,130
it was very difficult to communicate

2798
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:52,469
with him I guess blasting the dynamite

2799
02:04:57,340 --> 02:04:53,850
and stuff underground for some of the

2800
02:05:00,740 --> 02:04:57,350
years he had some he could barely hear

2801
02:05:03,140 --> 02:05:00,750
he was you know mostly deaf by that time

2802
02:05:06,200 --> 02:05:03,150
but he's done and my guitar player is

2803
02:05:08,750 --> 02:05:06,210
dad I had a very high position at you

2804
02:05:10,280 --> 02:05:08,760
know the Los Alamos labs so I mean this

2805
02:05:13,340 --> 02:05:10,290
is this is a really well qualified

2806
02:05:15,050 --> 02:05:13,350
source and I have mentioned this before

2807
02:05:17,050 --> 02:05:15,060
on the show I I don't want to give out

2808
02:05:19,670 --> 02:05:17,060
any names get people in trouble but

2809
02:05:22,250 --> 02:05:19,680
let's just put it this way I've got I've

2810
02:05:24,470 --> 02:05:22,260
got some pretty good a pretty good idea

2811
02:05:26,510 --> 02:05:24,480
that this is all you know legitimate

2812
02:05:29,390 --> 02:05:26,520
information and it's not the only time

2813
02:05:31,970 --> 02:05:29,400
that I run into sources that claim that

2814
02:05:33,020 --> 02:05:31,980
there is and had been for at least

2815
02:05:34,280 --> 02:05:33,030
10,000 years

2816
02:05:36,470 --> 02:05:34,290
an extensive

2817
02:05:39,350 --> 02:05:36,480
downtown system around the southwest and

2818
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:39,360
possibly elsewhere and of course

2819
02:05:46,310 --> 02:05:42,930
researching my second book I spoke with

2820
02:05:48,170 --> 02:05:46,320
Cowell of asked who his mass of the

2821
02:05:50,390 --> 02:05:48,180
underground loaded underground tunnel

2822
02:05:52,580 --> 02:05:50,400
system that has been created by by the

2823
02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:52,590
military have become quite famous or

2824
02:05:56,990 --> 02:05:54,930
infamous over the years he's been

2825
02:06:00,650 --> 02:05:57,000
involved in in documenting this type of

2826
02:06:03,890 --> 02:06:00,660
of subject matter since the mid to late

2827
02:06:05,750 --> 02:06:03,900
70s and and actually I just recently

2828
02:06:07,190 --> 02:06:05,760
tried to get in touch with how I left a

2829
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:07,200
message for him I'd love to get him on

2830
02:06:12,110 --> 02:06:09,810
the show he doesn't normally do radio or

2831
02:06:13,220 --> 02:06:12,120
TV but I'm gonna try to lift his arm and

2832
02:06:16,100 --> 02:06:13,230
see if we can get him on the show to

2833
02:06:18,740 --> 02:06:16,110
talk about somebody its findings but you

2834
02:06:20,030 --> 02:06:18,750
know to make a long story even longer of

2835
02:06:24,350 --> 02:06:20,040
course you have the underground city

2836
02:06:26,090 --> 02:06:24,360
that allegedly exist at Grand Canyon you

2837
02:06:27,950 --> 02:06:26,100
know east of the confluence there with

2838
02:06:30,350 --> 02:06:27,960
rural Colorado comes in to the Grand

2839
02:06:34,220 --> 02:06:30,360
Canyon right at the the eastern edge of

2840
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:34,230
the National Park and I'm mounting an

2841
02:06:38,690 --> 02:06:36,690
expedition and a little over a month to

2842
02:06:41,540 --> 02:06:38,700
go out there with a very accomplished

2843
02:06:43,580 --> 02:06:41,550
drone pilot in attempt to map the area

2844
02:06:45,860 --> 02:06:43,590
where GE Kinkaid claims he climbed up

2845
02:06:48,620 --> 02:06:45,870
the cliff face and was able to enter a

2846
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:48,630
fairly large doorway it was hidden to

2847
02:06:53,150 --> 02:06:50,970
enter into the underground city so we're

2848
02:06:56,120 --> 02:06:53,160
going to try to reacquire that location

2849
02:07:00,770 --> 02:06:56,130
so you may be lost Chris O'Brien amongst

2850
02:07:02,690 --> 02:07:00,780
the DeRose and materials well you're not

2851
02:07:04,460 --> 02:07:02,700
gonna see me you know rock climbing down

2852
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:04,470
there it's very very difficult to get to

2853
02:07:09,170 --> 02:07:06,930
do and the easiest way to access that

2854
02:07:11,900 --> 02:07:09,180
particular doorway from my understanding

2855
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:11,910
is from the river our River crew will

2856
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:15,090
have climbers and swampers and we'll

2857
02:07:18,710 --> 02:07:16,800
have a crew on the rim that's going

2858
02:07:21,220 --> 02:07:18,720
going to be there a couple of days early

2859
02:07:23,570 --> 02:07:21,230
to map the area and then locate the

2860
02:07:26,330 --> 02:07:23,580
location we've got an O down to about a

2861
02:07:29,240 --> 02:07:26,340
quarter mile and I think with a drone in

2862
02:07:31,220 --> 02:07:29,250
two days of serious mapping I think

2863
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:31,230
we're going to be able to cover a lot of

2864
02:07:35,300 --> 02:07:33,360
ground and if there it is the doorway

2865
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:35,310
there I'm feel confident that we'll be

2866
02:07:40,340 --> 02:07:36,810
able to find it of course there's

2867
02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:40,350
underground city is famous among the

2868
02:07:44,150 --> 02:07:42,210
thermal Indians as being the place where

2869
02:07:46,790 --> 02:07:44,160
when you go down the step op is a place

2870
02:07:48,290 --> 02:07:46,800
of emergence for the earth is gonna

2871
02:07:50,120 --> 02:07:48,300
cleanse itself that's where

2872
02:07:52,670 --> 02:07:50,130
that's where the the people are cared

2873
02:07:54,230 --> 02:07:52,680
for by the anti poker however many

2874
02:07:56,600 --> 02:07:54,240
generations it takes for the earth to

2875
02:07:59,360 --> 02:07:56,610
cleanse itself and then they read emerge

2876
02:08:01,550 --> 02:07:59,370
and are divided up into clans their

2877
02:08:03,860 --> 02:08:01,560
their physical deformities or somehow

2878
02:08:07,220 --> 02:08:03,870
corrected and they're sent off in the

2879
02:08:09,770 --> 02:08:07,230
poor direction when the article in 1909

2880
02:08:11,990 --> 02:08:09,780
came out in the Phoenix Gazette the

2881
02:08:15,320 --> 02:08:12,000
deathly Jordan from the Smithsonian and

2882
02:08:17,960 --> 02:08:15,330
GE Kinkaid claimed they weren't able to

2883
02:08:21,320 --> 02:08:17,970
go in the whole back section of the

2884
02:08:23,780 --> 02:08:21,330
conflict by looking at the size of the

2885
02:08:25,610 --> 02:08:23,790
front half of the complex they estimated

2886
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:25,620
anywhere from fifty to sixty thousand

2887
02:08:30,020 --> 02:08:28,050
people could be housed under ground in

2888
02:08:32,330 --> 02:08:30,030
this location and well if we could

2889
02:08:33,650 --> 02:08:32,340
really you know prove that this was real

2890
02:08:35,690 --> 02:08:33,660
of course

2891
02:08:37,820 --> 02:08:35,700
disgusted in debunkers table just you

2892
02:08:39,830 --> 02:08:37,830
know some publicity stunt by the Phoenix

2893
02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:39,840
Gazette but you know doing quite a bit

2894
02:08:43,940 --> 02:08:41,520
of research over the years on this but

2895
02:08:45,560 --> 02:08:43,950
there's enough there for me to actually

2896
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:45,570
attempt to map an expedition

2897
02:08:50,240 --> 02:08:47,850
but we did amount one in place well

2898
02:08:52,310 --> 02:08:50,250
which unfortunately because of the windy

2899
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:52,320
conditions we weren't able to do any

2900
02:08:56,420 --> 02:08:54,480
mapping but this year we are going to

2901
02:08:59,630 --> 02:08:56,430
map and I'm really looking forward to it

2902
02:09:02,390 --> 02:08:59,640
kind of Indiana Jones type activities I

2903
02:09:04,850 --> 02:09:02,400
really enjoy doing that explains the hat

2904
02:09:06,230 --> 02:09:04,860
that Chris where's Walter I just gonna

2905
02:09:08,120 --> 02:09:06,240
say I'm looking forward to hearing the

2906
02:09:10,150 --> 02:09:08,130
results about this Chris because I've

2907
02:09:12,560 --> 02:09:10,160
been one of those that's interested in

2908
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:12,570
what you're digging into you know for a

2909
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:13,920
long time there's a bunch of us out here

2910
02:09:20,270 --> 02:09:17,010
and that's going to be really really

2911
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:20,280
cool when you guys do that you know yeah

2912
02:09:27,320 --> 02:09:24,330
see which I the pliers pliers also like

2913
02:09:27,950 --> 02:09:27,330
for a paraglider there was there

2914
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:27,960
parasailing

2915
02:09:33,500 --> 02:09:31,290
I think it's a parasail yeah yeah para

2916
02:09:34,820 --> 02:09:33,510
sail around the area but you know

2917
02:09:37,130 --> 02:09:34,830
because of the windy conditions I mean

2918
02:09:38,660 --> 02:09:37,140
it was a 60 mile an hour 50 to 60 mile

2919
02:09:41,860 --> 02:09:38,670
an hour one the entire four days we were

2920
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:41,870
there and I can't lose now hi and I I

2921
02:09:52,310 --> 02:09:49,730
because of the time of year that we went

2922
02:09:54,710 --> 02:09:52,320
he's been a that's the windiest time of

2923
02:09:57,280 --> 02:09:54,720
year which unfortunately that we didn't

2924
02:10:00,620 --> 02:09:57,290
factor that in but October is generally

2925
02:10:02,020 --> 02:10:00,630
you know after the storm season where we

2926
02:10:04,900 --> 02:10:02,030
have the big thunder hands in the way

2927
02:10:07,210 --> 02:10:04,910
and it's one of those kind of calm

2928
02:10:09,820 --> 02:10:07,220
periods of the year up there on the rim

2929
02:10:11,380 --> 02:10:09,830
where it's it breeds me most of the time

2930
02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:11,390
but you know they have these really

2931
02:10:17,470 --> 02:10:15,290
strong no steady 50 60 mile an hour

2932
02:10:20,440 --> 02:10:17,480
winds that's really difficult to fly in

2933
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selves with gene and Chris and Walter

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to the park is what's fascinating here

3026
02:14:59,360 --> 02:14:56,130
is how close we all are to the legends

3027
02:15:02,390 --> 02:14:59,370
of civilizations beneath the earth and

3028
02:15:06,890 --> 02:15:02,400
the shaver legend also is about having

3029
02:15:09,200 --> 02:15:06,900
these deformed beings who fled to the

3030
02:15:12,470 --> 02:15:09,210
center of the earth until perhaps when

3031
02:15:14,450 --> 02:15:12,480
the earth cleanses itself so much

3032
02:15:16,460 --> 02:15:14,460
resemblance with all these legends and

3033
02:15:17,870 --> 02:15:16,470
you wonder what kind of truth there is

3034
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:17,880
but we're talking about a couple of

3035
02:15:20,810 --> 02:15:19,050
separate things here we're talking about

3036
02:15:23,180 --> 02:15:20,820
Inner Earth civilization it's been

3037
02:15:24,950 --> 02:15:23,190
around for a long long time we're

3038
02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:24,960
talking about breakaway civilizations

3039
02:15:29,810 --> 02:15:26,970
two of them Walter Bosley so we consider

3040
02:15:32,260 --> 02:15:29,820
them totally separate right yes although

3041
02:15:35,930 --> 02:15:32,270
I would say the the older of those two

3042
02:15:37,700 --> 02:15:35,940
was influenced by ancient things and

3043
02:15:38,090 --> 02:15:37,710
just to keep it simple I'll leave it at

3044
02:15:41,050 --> 02:15:38,100
that

3045
02:15:42,710 --> 02:15:41,060
inspired by influence inspired by

3046
02:15:46,940 --> 02:15:42,720
particularly when you're getting into

3047
02:15:49,850 --> 02:15:46,950
the what may be mercury vortex

3048
02:15:52,280 --> 02:15:49,860
technology kind of thing you know yeah

3049
02:15:55,720 --> 02:15:52,290
yeah the the some of this lore we're

3050
02:15:59,570 --> 02:15:55,730
talking about certainly has a role in

3051
02:16:01,550 --> 02:15:59,580
the the development and the emergence of

3052
02:16:04,070 --> 02:16:01,560
these 19th century breakaway

3053
02:16:06,170 --> 02:16:04,080
civilizations that I because what we're

3054
02:16:08,720 --> 02:16:06,180
talking about today in the 21st century

3055
02:16:12,290 --> 02:16:08,730
and you know through the 20th century I

3056
02:16:14,120 --> 02:16:12,300
think this is my personal position that

3057
02:16:17,570 --> 02:16:14,130
you know the breakaways that you know

3058
02:16:19,430 --> 02:16:17,580
Dolan defined and talks about and that

3059
02:16:21,740 --> 02:16:19,440
Joseph Ferrell named talked about I

3060
02:16:24,070 --> 02:16:21,750
think these the ones that I'm talking

3061
02:16:27,050 --> 02:16:24,080
about emerged in the 19th century

3062
02:16:31,810 --> 02:16:27,060
definitely influenced though by ancient

3063
02:16:35,390 --> 02:16:31,820
ideas 12-lead dates yeah though or that

3064
02:16:37,910 --> 02:16:35,400
cool well I'm uh I'm really looking

3065
02:16:41,470 --> 02:16:37,920
forward to this particular excursion and

3066
02:16:45,121 --> 02:16:41,480
you know over the years it's

3067
02:16:48,791 --> 02:16:45,131
almost impossible to not stumble on

3068
02:16:51,880 --> 02:16:48,801
cross cultural stories and traditions of

3069
02:16:53,590 --> 02:16:51,890
underground dwelling and entities you

3070
02:16:56,680 --> 02:16:53,600
have the Nagas and the Buddhist and

3071
02:16:58,451 --> 02:16:56,690
Tibetan traditions in the you know the

3072
02:17:01,480 --> 02:16:58,461
traditions in the in the Pueblo Club Lo

3073
02:17:03,340 --> 02:17:01,490
and Southwest you have glue Liu Kang the

3074
02:17:05,081 --> 02:17:03,350
great reptile that holds the earth and

3075
02:17:07,270 --> 02:17:05,091
balance that allegedly lives at the

3076
02:17:11,081 --> 02:17:07,280
center of the earth and and you know

3077
02:17:13,121 --> 02:17:11,091
there are these types of traditions that

3078
02:17:15,701 --> 02:17:13,131
have their own sort of sub cultural or

3079
02:17:17,470 --> 02:17:15,711
cultural spin on them but they all seem

3080
02:17:21,610 --> 02:17:17,480
to have a common thread of some sort of

3081
02:17:26,680 --> 02:17:21,620
reptilian form that exists underground

3082
02:17:28,840 --> 02:17:26,690
is not particularly benevolent shall we

3083
02:17:32,650 --> 02:17:28,850
say generally they're there they're

3084
02:17:35,170 --> 02:17:32,660
either neutral or malevolent depending

3085
02:17:38,831 --> 02:17:35,180
on the you know the time and place and

3086
02:17:41,260 --> 02:17:38,841
in the particular scenario it's it's

3087
02:17:44,230 --> 02:17:41,270
almost impossible not to run into these

3088
02:17:46,090 --> 02:17:44,240
types of traditions and you know I just

3089
02:17:49,030 --> 02:17:46,100
I think that all myths and legends have

3090
02:17:52,030 --> 02:17:49,040
some sort of a beginning point some sort

3091
02:17:54,520 --> 02:17:52,040
of basis in in some fact and then of

3092
02:17:56,951 --> 02:17:54,530
course over the eons and millennia

3093
02:17:58,900 --> 02:17:56,961
obviously things get piled on things get

3094
02:18:02,530 --> 02:17:58,910
twisted a little bit you know the

3095
02:18:04,570 --> 02:18:02,540
stories gain a new sort of complexion

3096
02:18:07,541 --> 02:18:04,580
but I think if you boil them all down

3097
02:18:09,490 --> 02:18:07,551
there there is something tangible at the

3098
02:18:13,210 --> 02:18:09,500
beginning of these stories and enough

3099
02:18:17,050 --> 02:18:13,220
enough to make me intrigued and continue

3100
02:18:19,210 --> 02:18:17,060
my particular research into these

3101
02:18:21,250 --> 02:18:19,220
various myths legends stories and

3102
02:18:23,291 --> 02:18:21,260
traditions I really do think there's

3103
02:18:26,201 --> 02:18:23,301
something to it again it may not

3104
02:18:28,780 --> 02:18:26,211
actually be the way the traditional

3105
02:18:30,760 --> 02:18:28,790
stories say it is but there's there's

3106
02:18:32,980 --> 02:18:30,770
something there there's I really have a

3107
02:18:34,930 --> 02:18:32,990
strong hunch and my intuition tells me

3108
02:18:39,630 --> 02:18:34,940
that that there is something there that

3109
02:18:41,190 --> 02:18:39,640
we do have intelligent entities beans

3110
02:18:44,140 --> 02:18:41,200
animals whatever

3111
02:18:45,010 --> 02:18:44,150
there are subterranean I'm pretty

3112
02:18:48,010 --> 02:18:45,020
convinced of that

3113
02:18:50,440 --> 02:18:48,020
okay this is this is a question from

3114
02:18:54,041 --> 02:18:50,450
silla fan who is a brand new science i

3115
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knee up at formed dr. Peric ascom who

3116
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our listeners get to ask

3117
02:19:01,360 --> 02:18:58,519
guess probing questions and he joined

3118
02:19:02,850 --> 02:19:01,370
this past Tuesday it's a three-part

3119
02:19:04,839 --> 02:19:02,860
question for you Walter

3120
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:04,849
okay it's been involved with

3121
02:19:09,759 --> 02:19:06,559
counterintelligence the Star Gate

3122
02:19:13,150 --> 02:19:09,769
project comes to mind even though it was

3123
02:19:15,190 --> 02:19:13,160
a CIA project what are your thoughts or

3124
02:19:18,580 --> 02:19:15,200
concerns on the project and some of the

3125
02:19:22,570 --> 02:19:18,590
experiments that they conducted well

3126
02:19:24,580 --> 02:19:22,580
based on what I know was a you know is

3127
02:19:27,040 --> 02:19:24,590
the famous or infamous however you look

3128
02:19:28,810 --> 02:19:27,050
at it remote viewing program that they

3129
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:28,820
were developing I don't really have any

3130
02:19:34,930 --> 02:19:32,090
concerns other than as somebody who has

3131
02:19:37,209 --> 02:19:34,940
you know used remote viewing himself I

3132
02:19:40,750 --> 02:19:37,219
you know there's that personal ethic

3133
02:19:44,530 --> 02:19:40,760
that you know you won't misuse it on the

3134
02:19:48,070 --> 02:19:44,540
personal level that would be my only

3135
02:19:51,460 --> 02:19:48,080
concern is ánotá government was doing

3136
02:19:55,570 --> 02:19:51,470
this doesn't you know because I really

3137
02:19:57,940 --> 02:19:55,580
what they wanted to apply it to but you

3138
02:20:04,840 --> 02:19:57,950
know you'll find on more of the Pro mad

3139
02:20:06,100 --> 02:20:04,850
scientist-type I say let's do it he

3140
02:20:07,780 --> 02:20:06,110
wonders in this second part of his

3141
02:20:09,250 --> 02:20:07,790
question that he's wondering if you

3142
02:20:13,300 --> 02:20:09,260
think the project was just a bunch of

3143
02:20:14,980 --> 02:20:13,310
hocus pocus quote unquote or do you

3144
02:20:17,380 --> 02:20:14,990
think it could have had some legitimacy

3145
02:20:21,520 --> 02:20:17,390
to it oh yeah I absolutely think it was

3146
02:20:24,040 --> 02:20:21,530
a real project yeah yeah I I was

3147
02:20:26,700 --> 02:20:24,050
convinced long ago that it was a real

3148
02:20:29,469 --> 02:20:26,710
project so yeah I think it happened

3149
02:20:30,880 --> 02:20:29,479
well then part three of his question is

3150
02:20:33,640 --> 02:20:30,890
do you know of anything similar being

3151
02:20:36,969 --> 02:20:33,650
used by the FBI either in the past or

3152
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:36,979
present that you'd be able to discuss it

3153
02:20:42,219 --> 02:20:40,240
has it has any sort of success

3154
02:20:51,130 --> 02:20:42,229
transitioned over to other agencies to

3155
02:20:56,980 --> 02:20:51,140
knowledge um to my knowledge now not as

3156
02:20:59,440 --> 02:20:56,990
such and that's as far as I'll go okay

3157
02:21:04,030 --> 02:20:59,450
dude I'll just kind of add this do you

3158
02:21:05,980 --> 02:21:04,040
know of any reliance or even the you

3159
02:21:07,980 --> 02:21:05,990
know the possibility of attempting to

3160
02:21:10,200 --> 02:21:07,990
use psychics for any sort of missing

3161
02:21:13,110 --> 02:21:10,210
cases that say or to solve any sort of

3162
02:21:15,240 --> 02:21:13,120
crimes you know of any well I think we

3163
02:21:17,070 --> 02:21:15,250
all know that you know there's reports

3164
02:21:19,770 --> 02:21:17,080
and stories of you know police

3165
02:21:21,690 --> 02:21:19,780
departments and such employing you know

3166
02:21:23,250 --> 02:21:21,700
psychics to see if that would help we

3167
02:21:25,620 --> 02:21:23,260
also know there's lots of stories where

3168
02:21:28,530 --> 02:21:25,630
it didn't do any good

3169
02:21:33,360 --> 02:21:28,540
my personal view on the psychic stuff is

3170
02:21:36,390 --> 02:21:33,370
psychic powers are real until here's a

3171
02:21:39,421 --> 02:21:36,400
weird thing and I embrace this position

3172
02:21:40,921 --> 02:21:39,431
funny thing how once you start running

3173
02:21:42,870 --> 02:21:40,931
your mouth and telling a lot of people

3174
02:21:45,810 --> 02:21:42,880
you can do something and the minute you

3175
02:21:49,770 --> 02:21:45,820
start taking a dime for it it just

3176
02:21:53,671 --> 02:21:49,780
doesn't seem to work any our commercial

3177
02:21:58,410 --> 02:21:53,681
intent there does that kill the ability

3178
02:21:59,970 --> 02:21:58,420
to do it because yeah because what

3179
02:22:02,030 --> 02:21:59,980
happens is there's something and this is

3180
02:22:04,950 --> 02:22:02,040
my opinion folks this is my position

3181
02:22:07,020 --> 02:22:04,960
based on my research and you know

3182
02:22:08,990 --> 02:22:07,030
experience to whatever degree whoever's

3183
02:22:10,921 --> 02:22:09,000
listening this is going to respect

3184
02:22:13,530 --> 02:22:10,931
because I know there's people to just

3185
02:22:16,110 --> 02:22:13,540
can't buy this stuff at all yeah there's

3186
02:22:19,890 --> 02:22:16,120
something that goes on I think in the

3187
02:22:23,490 --> 02:22:19,900
subconscious that it's it's once you're

3188
02:22:25,650 --> 02:22:23,500
doing it for you know you know pay or

3189
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:25,660
whatever it's it's less true it's less

3190
02:22:30,841 --> 02:22:30,010
pure the intent to go back to is it

3191
02:22:32,400 --> 02:22:30,851
being used

3192
02:22:34,400 --> 02:22:32,410
you know officially or formally by the

3193
02:22:37,410 --> 02:22:34,410
FBI are such here's been my experience

3194
02:22:38,671 --> 02:22:37,420
what happens is you know people that are

3195
02:22:40,381 --> 02:22:38,681
in that line of work where they're

3196
02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:40,391
either an FBI agent or some type of

3197
02:22:44,820 --> 02:22:42,610
federal investigator or intelligence

3198
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operative you have mentors in your life

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believe me you have the guys who you

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know bring you into this because it's

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very much that way I was essentially

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brought into this fire relative and you

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learn these kinds of spooky techniques

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and things from individuals like that

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you're never sent to Quantico to learn

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the remote viewing but your former agent

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your former spook you know uncle or

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whatever and it's brought you into this

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they're gonna be the ones who teach you

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that stuff and believe me to some degree

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it can come in very handy

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I'm gonna ask you something here we only

3213
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have 50 seconds left for this segment

3214
02:23:29,711 --> 02:23:28,250
consider on the other side I know Chris

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02:23:31,421 --> 02:23:29,721
has some other things he wants to pursue

3216
02:23:34,810 --> 02:23:31,431
him I think we're gonna have to continue

3217
02:23:37,660 --> 02:23:34,820
this discussion on after the power cast

3218
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this week's episode with dogs and Walter

3219
02:23:44,650 --> 02:23:41,090
and Chris and that is here we did a show

3220
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a couple of weeks back with the producer

3221
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director of a film called Montauk

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chronicles and that was about the

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Montauk Project where supposedly they

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were pulling all this stuff on the East

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End of New York there where they were

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did what do you think about that's gonna

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Walter and gags you're in the podcast

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sitting right over here across the room

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from me because I was looking at it now

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here's the thing about

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material is you know there's certain

3340
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aspects of it that you know it's iffy

3341
02:30:56,750 --> 02:30:53,280
it's that particular materials very iffy

3342
02:30:59,240 --> 02:30:56,760
the Montauk Chronicles film my adopted

3343
02:31:01,011 --> 02:30:59,250
kids boyfriend just got a copy of it

3344
02:31:05,720 --> 02:31:01,021
here a few weeks back and I watched it

3345
02:31:07,430 --> 02:31:05,730
and it's a very atmospheric moody kind

3346
02:31:11,211 --> 02:31:07,440
of you know and sometimes creepy and

3347
02:31:12,381 --> 02:31:11,221
eerie kind of film I you know again this

3348
02:31:15,080 --> 02:31:12,391
goes back to like what Chris was saying

3349
02:31:17,780 --> 02:31:15,090
what I was saying earlier you know it's

3350
02:31:20,060 --> 02:31:17,790
the nugget of truth thing do I think

3351
02:31:22,970 --> 02:31:20,070
there might have been something going on

3352
02:31:27,650 --> 02:31:22,980
at Montauk yeah I I think there might

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02:31:30,740 --> 02:31:27,660
have been now if it's what the popular

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books by Nicholson Moon purport I I

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don't know I I couldn't tell you I

3356
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personally I I you know I don't know I'm

3357
02:31:43,131 --> 02:31:39,620
iffy on that material as its presented

3358
02:31:46,910 --> 02:31:43,141
but I don't consider myself an expert on

3359
02:31:49,070 --> 02:31:46,920
it but it's very very intriguing I think

3360
02:31:51,530 --> 02:31:49,080
the root of what they're trying to say

3361
02:31:53,990 --> 02:31:51,540
there and some of the stuff that might

3362
02:31:57,230 --> 02:31:54,000
be iffy could have been stuff that is a

3363
02:31:59,780 --> 02:31:57,240
result of you know someone being screwed

3364
02:32:03,320 --> 02:31:59,790
with mentally to mask whatever the

3365
02:32:05,450 --> 02:32:03,330
nugget of truth is but there's something

3366
02:32:08,410 --> 02:32:05,460
there Chris we have a question from Tek

3367
02:32:11,660 --> 02:32:08,420
doum age right technomages wondering

3368
02:32:14,330 --> 02:32:11,670
about you know he listened to one of our

3369
02:32:18,200 --> 02:32:14,340
interviews with Derrel Sims and I guess

3370
02:32:19,700 --> 02:32:18,210
in 2007 where Sims was adamant that UFOs

3371
02:32:21,500 --> 02:32:19,710
are involved in cattle mutilations

3372
02:32:24,830 --> 02:32:21,510
because of the weird fluorescent

3373
02:32:27,230 --> 02:32:24,840
coatings found on cattle he's wondering

3374
02:32:28,940 --> 02:32:27,240
if I'm aware of his point of view on the

3375
02:32:31,190 --> 02:32:28,950
mutilations and have I had justice

3376
02:32:32,720 --> 02:32:31,200
anywhere he says I haven't heard this

3377
02:32:34,190 --> 02:32:32,730
discuss with Daryl the last time it was

3378
02:32:36,711 --> 02:32:34,200
on but I know you disagree with this

3379
02:32:38,600 --> 02:32:36,721
point of view it's not that I disagree

3380
02:32:41,360 --> 02:32:38,610
with it I just I just feel that there's

3381
02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:41,370
no data to support it we only have one

3382
02:32:49,040 --> 02:32:45,530
case and one example of fluorescent type

3383
02:32:51,890 --> 02:32:49,050
actually it was a ultraviolet paint that

3384
02:32:53,841 --> 02:32:51,900
was or some sort of substance it was

3385
02:32:54,429 --> 02:32:53,851
found on the backs of a number of cattle

3386
02:32:59,199 --> 02:32:54,439
on the man

3387
02:33:03,099 --> 02:32:59,209
gomez ranch when Howard Burgess and then

3388
02:33:05,019 --> 02:33:03,109
state patrolman Gabe Valdez ran animals

3389
02:33:07,269 --> 02:33:05,029
under a black light at night and they

3390
02:33:07,989 --> 02:33:07,279
did find this fluorescent material on

3391
02:33:10,210 --> 02:33:07,999
their backs

3392
02:33:12,040 --> 02:33:10,220
well they staked out the herd and

3393
02:33:16,389 --> 02:33:12,050
obviously kept these particular animals

3394
02:33:18,429 --> 02:33:16,399
under close observation and much to

3395
02:33:20,439 --> 02:33:18,439
their surprise nothing happened and when

3396
02:33:22,660 --> 02:33:20,449
they ran the cattle a number of days

3397
02:33:25,239 --> 02:33:22,670
later they ran them through the chute

3398
02:33:26,620 --> 02:33:25,249
again under the blacklight none of them

3399
02:33:30,219 --> 02:33:26,630
had the fluorescent material and somehow

3400
02:33:32,260 --> 02:33:30,229
it vanished so that case is the only

3401
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:32,270
case that we have that suggests that

3402
02:33:38,260 --> 02:33:35,770
this type of marking if you will

3403
02:33:41,260 --> 02:33:38,270
activity has been taking place I

3404
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routinely ran black lights over and you

3405
02:33:45,149 --> 02:33:42,920
know a majority of the cases that I

3406
02:33:47,439 --> 02:33:45,159
investigated and I never found any

3407
02:33:49,899 --> 02:33:47,449
obvious fluorescent material

3408
02:33:51,670 --> 02:33:49,909
occasionally I would find some little

3409
02:33:53,410 --> 02:33:51,680
bits and points so for us immaterial but

3410
02:33:56,699 --> 02:33:53,420
mostly on the legs with the sides of the

3411
02:33:59,529 --> 02:33:56,709
animal never on the back so there you go

3412
02:34:01,359 --> 02:33:59,539
okay let's move on here we have decided

3413
02:34:03,099 --> 02:34:01,369
by the way we're going to continue this

3414
02:34:06,760 --> 02:34:03,109
discussion on after the power cast this

3415
02:34:06,969 --> 02:34:06,770
week just too many places to go all

3416
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right

3417
02:34:12,069 --> 02:34:09,920
so here's where we stand folks we've

3418
02:34:15,069 --> 02:34:12,079
have a crazy world out there we may have

3419
02:34:18,219 --> 02:34:15,079
a secret space program we may have not

3420
02:34:20,679 --> 02:34:18,229
just one but two breakaway civilizations

3421
02:34:23,469 --> 02:34:20,689
that gets to be pretty spectacular and

3422
02:34:26,170 --> 02:34:23,479
maybe those breakaway civilizations are

3423
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influencing us maybe there is a gradual

3424
02:34:32,769 --> 02:34:29,180
program to acquaint us with the presence

3425
02:34:35,319 --> 02:34:32,779
of ET and let's get into that maybe our

3426
02:34:37,330 --> 02:34:35,329
be our final issue here in the remaining

3427
02:34:41,260 --> 02:34:37,340
couple of minutes Walter Bosley so you

3428
02:34:43,569 --> 02:34:41,270
do accept that we set aside all the

3429
02:34:46,569 --> 02:34:43,579
stuff that we're doing here something is

3430
02:34:49,889 --> 02:34:46,579
coming from out there oh absolutely yeah

3431
02:34:53,559 --> 02:34:49,899
I've been convinced I I accept the the

3432
02:34:55,300 --> 02:34:53,569
existence of ET yeah but how do we

3433
02:34:57,969 --> 02:34:55,310
separate it that from possible

3434
02:34:59,769 --> 02:34:57,979
government disinformation because we can

3435
02:35:01,569 --> 02:34:59,779
talk about that especially in connection

3436
02:35:04,660 --> 02:35:01,579
with the early days in the UFO field

3437
02:35:06,910 --> 02:35:04,670
where we're doing all this testing of

3438
02:35:09,219 --> 02:35:06,920
these Nazi inventions with all

3439
02:35:11,410 --> 02:35:09,229
Nazi scientists that joined our space

3440
02:35:13,450 --> 02:35:11,420
program like the ghost rockets or

3441
02:35:16,929 --> 02:35:13,460
Roswell here's two things to consider

3442
02:35:20,920 --> 02:35:16,939
number one for whatever reason you're

3443
02:35:22,179 --> 02:35:20,930
gonna know for sure when they the et let

3444
02:35:23,950 --> 02:35:22,189
you know for sure I

3445
02:35:27,640 --> 02:35:23,960
they hold the cards on that for whatever

3446
02:35:30,090 --> 02:35:27,650
reason they hold the cards on their own

3447
02:35:32,230 --> 02:35:30,100
disclosure number one number two

3448
02:35:35,230 --> 02:35:32,240
consider what we are talking about

3449
02:35:37,570 --> 02:35:35,240
earlier that the secretive et might be

3450
02:35:40,270 --> 02:35:37,580
that it might be just beat us you know

3451
02:35:42,969 --> 02:35:40,280
another group of us they could be every

3452
02:35:45,429 --> 02:35:42,979
bit as human as us and that would make

3453
02:35:48,219 --> 02:35:45,439
it easier for them to move among us

3454
02:35:50,140 --> 02:35:48,229
right so we might be looking for the

3455
02:35:52,330 --> 02:35:50,150
wrong thing we're looking for greys

3456
02:35:54,310 --> 02:35:52,340
we're looking for a little green men you

3457
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:54,320
know we're not looking for you know some

3458
02:35:58,380 --> 02:35:56,090
guy that looks like Joe Schmo the cab

3459
02:36:01,420 --> 02:35:58,390
driver well remember Klaatu looked human

3460
02:36:04,090 --> 02:36:01,430
exactly so you know I think there's some

3461
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of that going on for whatever reason we

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02:36:07,810 --> 02:36:06,170
just don't have the answer yet or the

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incontrovertible evidence that's going

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02:36:12,490 --> 02:36:10,340
to convince everybody yeah we just don't

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have it and I say that's because they're

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the ones holding the cards on that so is

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02:36:21,370 --> 02:36:17,540
it then possible that the grey aliens

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02:36:22,840 --> 02:36:21,380
receipt are allusions it's possible that

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02:36:25,270 --> 02:36:22,850
they're allusions it's possible that

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there's some type of automaton it's

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02:36:29,710 --> 02:36:27,560
possible that they are there's the whole

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interdimensional discussion which i

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02:36:35,650 --> 02:36:33,080
think is very valid to look at but when

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you're talking extraterrestrial it might

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02:36:40,060 --> 02:36:37,729
be that there's a much larger human

3476
02:36:41,110 --> 02:36:40,070
factor in this quite frankly there's

3477
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some people that just don't want to hear

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02:36:44,410 --> 02:36:43,010
that well we want to hear it because

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we're going to hear more of this and

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after the powertest this week but I'll

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tell you how to subscribe in a moment

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Walter Bosley can you tell our listeners

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where we can find more of the things

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that you do absolutely and I'd like to

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add that I'm going to be speaking at the

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secret space program conference in

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Google Halloween

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exactly and in Bastrop which if you're

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familiar with your airship mystery

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reports newspapers in Bastrop and people

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02:37:14,110 --> 02:37:11,720
in the Bastrop area we're seeing these

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things in the 1890s so it's a perfect

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place for the SSP conference you can

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